Another two-stroke on the way out.

**scott411** · 25th June 2007, 16:52

problem with direct injection 2 strokes is the amount of amps they need to run the system , but the battery and everything that they need and the 2 stroke loses its main advantage, light weight,

i agree with you tho, the japanese are giving up on 2 strokes way to easily,

**B0000M** · 25th June 2007, 17:03

id say part of the the reason the top guys who are winning the championships are riding 4 strokes is because thats what honda / kawa / suzi / yama is telling them they are going to ride, being the new product and all

**Factoryjohn** · 25th June 2007, 17:04

Originally Posted by cheese

You're not comparing apples with apples.

4 stroke you use a 450 against a 250 2 stroke. I know that they just changed the rules here so that you can race a 250 2 and 4 stroke together, but a 450 4/ v 250 2/ isn't really the same is it. I know some of the bikes review similar, but you still have 200 extra cc's belting about which is going to give you more power.

It is apples with apples.

A 250 2T produces the same if not more hp as a 450 4T. The 4T just produces more usable hp as the results show.

**Reckless** · 25th June 2007, 17:09

Don't forget its about selling parts, keeping/making their distributors happy etc as well. Even with my simple knowledge of 2 strokes with their existing power to weight ratio and a little bit of Pipe, timing, fly wheel weights etc effort put in. They could make 2smokers much better than they are.
The proof will be over the next couple of years, even if the compitition bikes go 4 stroke if there are enough of us that keep buying 2 smokers hopefully someone will keep making them. Like KTM and especially if they win on them(if the rules aren't changed against them). If this happens at least the 250 may survive as you gotta admit the 250 4stroke is easier to ride than a 125 2smoker.

**B0000M** · 25th June 2007, 17:24

so if something is "easier to ride" or has "more useful power" , doesnt this mean that it has an advantage over the bike you are comparing to?

i had a CR125, and rode a mate's KXF250, i thought the KXF was without a doubt faster, and i knew how to make a 125 scream., this giving the guys riding a 125 a disadvantage, therefore forcing them to buy 4smokes, probably some not because they want to

**Reckless** · 25th June 2007, 17:50

Originally Posted by B0000M

so if something is "easier to ride" or has "more useful power" , doesnt this mean that it has an advantage over the bike you are comparing to?

i had a CR125, and rode a mate's KXF250, i thought the KXF was without a doubt faster, and i knew how to make a 125 scream., this giving the guys riding a 125 a disadvantage, therefore forcing them to buy 4smokes, probably some not because they want to

BOOM Yep I agree to a point and I know you can ride. Specifically when applied to the 125x2/250x4 scenerio as the 125 is the most revy of the 2 smokers in its present form. This doesn't apply so well to the 250 as I believe you can make a 250 do what you want, where you want it to do it. Actually probably with the 125 as well. But 2smokers are just noisier, smokier and they can't sell as many expensive parts or make as much money outa servicing them. So what would you do if you where the GM of Honda/Kawasaki. Develop 4 strokes, create classes that eliminate 2 strokes, keep your franchises happy etc etc make more money

**Teava** · 25th June 2007, 17:52

im on the fence on this one, i own a 04 125sx and its a great bike straight out of the box, now my mate has a 06 sxf250, i had a go on his bike and found the low down power really useful but found it lacked top end which is where i was catching him most of the time!

But at the end of the day its all comes down to how fast you can ride it,
and have got my old man to prove it, at the 2nd round of the club mans
all in at ken fells farm he got 2nd and a 1st on his 87 cr250 up against top off the line year 2000+ model bikes, so in most cases its not what you ride but how you ride it.

But hey thats my opinion

just hope they keep producing a healthy dose of both 2 strokes and four

**B0000M** · 25th June 2007, 18:36

Originally Posted by Reckless

BOOM Yep I agree to a point and I know you can ride. Specifically when applied to the 125x2/250x4 scenerio as the 125 is the most revy of the 2 smokers in its present form. This doesn't apply so well to the 250 as I believe you can make a 250 do what you want, where you want it to do it. Actually probably with the 125 as well. But 2smokers are just noisier, smokier and they can't sell as many expensive parts or make as much money outa servicing them. So what would you do if you where the GM of Honda/Kawasaki. Develop 4 strokes, create classes that eliminate 2 strokes, keep your franchises happy etc etc make more money

btw, im completely on the 2smoke side of the fence! hence why i just bought a CR250!! im becoming less and less of a 4smoke fan as time goes on too

**telliman** · 25th June 2007, 19:26

Originally Posted by B0000M

btw, im completely on the 2smoke side of the fence! hence why i just bought a CR250!! im becoming less and less of a 4smoke fan as time goes on too

prbably because you dont ride competetivly,if you rode to win you;d buy the machine to do the job, if your having a shit load of fun pushing your own limits then its not so important.i ride a 2 stroke mainly on the mx tracks and thought about going a 4stoke at one stage thinking it would make me go faster,but then realised i dont want to be a world beater, i just want to have fun without the bigger expence,all i ever wanted when i was growing up was one of those green 2strokes and its all iv ever riden. i think the point im trying to make is that the 2strokes are sick fun,good in the sand, good in the woods mx, freestyle,etc,etc.
a bit like the tracks in auckland, soon they to will be a thing of the past!

**Danger** · 25th June 2007, 23:14

Originally Posted by telliman

i ride a 2 stroke mainly on the mx tracks and thought about going a 4stoke at one stage thinking it would make me go faster,but then realised i dont want to be a world beater, i just want to have fun without the bigger expence, i think the point im trying to make is that the 2strokes are sick fun,good in the sand, good in the woods mx, freestyle,etc,etc.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts.

**dammad1** · 26th June 2007, 19:11

KTM will always produce two strokes and as far as championships go 2T's may not be winning alot of motorcross championships but they are still the preferred choice in alot of enduro/cross country events around the world. What do you think Juha Salimen was riding in last years US GNCC series? A mighty 2T!!

**T-Thunder13** · 26th June 2007, 19:52

Originally Posted by dammad1

KTM will always produce two strokes and as far as championships go 2T's may not be winning alot of motorcross championships but they are still the preferred choice in alot of enduro/cross country events around the world. What do you think Juha Salimen was riding in last years US GNCC series? A mighty 2T!!

give it up bro. just get a four stroke hahahahaha. im back!