Fingerprints

[scumdog]

So what would happen if I was wandering along pursuing my lawful business and was apprehended by an officer of the law who wanted to validate my identity; let's say I was not a criminal, but I had chosen to lie about who I was and the Police had my fingerprint records on file. In this circumstance am I any more of a criminal than a person who, in exactly the same circumstances, also lies to the Police about who they are but for whom the Police do not hold fingerprint records?

No, you're not any more of a 'criminal' - but you would be 'nailed' if your prints were on record.

Police do NOT hold onto fingerprints of 'non-criminals'

So in the above example they would not have your prints on record hence you would not be 'nailed'.

[u4ea]

No, you're not any more of a 'criminal' - but you would be 'nailed' if your prints were on record.

Police do NOT hold onto fingerprints of 'non-criminals'

So in the above example they would not have your prints on record hence you would not be 'nailed'.

What about the new rule that nothing shows up after so many years??I bet you guys will see those convictions.
Which would mean the lawabiding citizen who has behaved ever since gets NAILED everytime a cop wants their prints??

[Grahameeboy]

What about the new rule that nothing shows up after so many years??I bet you guys will see those convictions.
Which would mean the lawabiding citizen who has behaved ever since gets NAILED everytime a cop wants their prints??

Geeze...and...they... will... see...that...you...have...been...good...and reformed...you know a positive like.....

[civil]

I really don't know what all the moaning is about.........DNA, fingerprinting etc only becomes an invasion of our rights when we do something to destroy our rights i.e break the law.

Great no problem, until such time as it becomes ilegal to do something that you happen to do. Like say smack your kids, or take photos of politicians picking their noses, or not pay chilld support, or be late paying GST, get a fine for speeding, parking tickets etc, etc.

So for anyone who dose not do anything ilegal, now or never will do anything ilegal in the future, even as the state takes more control over your lives and tells you what you can and cant do, then there are no problems for you. You can go and stand over in the corner with the other couple of people who also just do as they are told even when they know it is wrong. We have a time machine for you to take you back to nazi germany as that is where you belong, and where you may learn the error of your ways.

[civil]

P.S for those who are going back to nazi germany, I hope you are not Jewish.

[scumdog]

What about the new rule that nothing shows up after so many years??I bet you guys will see those convictions.
Which would mean the lawabiding citizen who has behaved ever since gets NAILED everytime a cop wants their prints??

Yep, WE will see the convictions 'cos they will still be on the computer - but judges, bosses etc won't.
And as rule we ignore really old convictions when it comes to judging somebody.
"Ah well, he had a few silly convictions when he was young, can't be that bad after all"

[98tls]

Personally i couldnt give a rats.........if it helps catch shitheads quicker then bring it on........

[civil]

And as rule we ignore really old convictions when it comes to judging somebody.

But arent the Police "Law Enforcement" not "Judicuatary"? Are you now saying that the police get to judge if I get to go before the courts?

Anyone else see the slipery slope we are going down?

[scumdog]

But arent the Police "Law Enforcement" not "Judicuatary"? Are you now saying that the police get to judge if I get to go before the courts?

Anyone else see the slipery slope we are going down?

Yep, but we need something to help us use our 'discretion' - a useless piece of criminal wife bashing shit (going by previous convictions) is obviously not going to get the same slack cut as a guy whose worse crime was 'minor in public bar'.

[Crowdog]

Hell they already got my prints and mugshot an updates not gonna hurt

[candor]

Driving is not a right, you have to prove your ability and be licenced. You lose this if you are a menace to others. Fair enough? I think so...

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Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the judickery's point of view. They want thirteen times DUI convicted people with forty total driving convictions on the road as it helps with their rehabilitation no end. They clearly feel the Police are just being mean and punitive people to go dragging drink drivers with raging P habits like Alan Hogg in to court.

[98tls]

Great no problem, until such time as it becomes ilegal to do something that you happen to do. Like say smack your kids, or take photos of politicians picking their noses, or not pay chilld support, or be late paying GST, get a fine for speeding, parking tickets etc, etc.

So for anyone who dose not do anything ilegal, now or never will do anything ilegal in the future, even as the state takes more control over your lives and tells you what you can and cant do, then there are no problems for you. You can go and stand over in the corner with the other couple of people who also just do as they are told even when they know it is wrong. We have a time machine for you to take you back to nazi germany as that is where you belong, and where you may learn the error of your ways.

Nazi Germanys policy had nothing to do with controlling people...it was way simplier than that.

[civil]

So justice in NZ is not blind or not?

When Sue Bradford is PM and she tells the Police that smacking naughty children is worse than wife beating, and that this is to be police prioirty. Will you go out and do your master's bidding?

What about if the instruction of your master was to round up all those with the star of david on their jackets?

The finger printing check that is suggested make it so much easyier doing you think?

[civil]

Nazi Germanys policy had nothing to do with controlling people...it was way simplier than that.

Tell me a PM in office today who dose not believe they can determine the controls over how we live.

[98tls]

Tell me a PM in office today who dose not believe they can determine the controls over how we live.

Sorry mate cant do as i dont know any PMs......actually i dont want to know any of em.......yes i see your point.Then again i wouldnt mind bumping into winston peters just to head butt him.........