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[marty]

Yeah I confess it was me, and I'm sorry if the Pleece members of this forum have missed me, but I've been catching up on some reading.
But I did take your advice Marty, such as it was, and suggested some measures that would actually have an effect. They won't happen though, cost too much.

it didn't go unnoticed lou...

[What?]

I thought the letter in question was a rather well written point of view. Much like one in the latest BRM as a matter of fact.
The point is, whilst we may not agree with other's points of view, it is their expression which maintains our right to have a choice.

[scumdog]

I thought the letter in question was a rather well written point of view. Much like one in the latest BRM as a matter of fact.
The point is, whilst we may not agree with other's points of view, it is their expression which maintains our right to have a choice.

Don't be so defensive on Lou's behalf , I was NOT putting the pricker into Lou, the reverse, I thought he might have come forwards and elaborated on this topic.

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Don't be so defensive on Lou's behalf , I was NOT putting the pricker into Lou, the reverse, I thought he might have come forwards and elaborated on this topic.

I wasn't - he's a big boy and can fend for himself. But I do notice there are those amongst us who feel a need to attack Lou for everything he says, even when he agrees with them. Kinda weird, really...
Might go and read the rest of the new BRM now - only read your letter so far!

[Lou Girardin]

Oh, you want elaboration.
Ok. My letter was in response to an article which said that, after a year of the 'boy racer' law there had been no drop in fatal or injury accidents among the target group.
Clayton Cosgrove, the instigator of the law, and some police person hummed and hahhed and said "well at least it's reduced the numbers of boy racers around". A strongly disputable point. I pointed out that if there were fewer of them, then the fatality and injury rate has, in fact, increased.
Then I suggested some measures that may actually reduce fatality rates among younger drivers; much tougher driving tests, increase the driving age, and having a power limit applied to cars that young people may drive. Similar to our learner and restricted licences.
Quite simple really, but it would cost money. So it won't happen tomorrow. We'll need another ten years of the failure of current policies before someone decides the LTSA just aren't sharp enough.

[scumdog]

I hear what you're saying Lou, the boy-racer act is now a non-event except when the gendarmes need some 'teeth', there are certain aspects of it I don't agree with myself e.g. if somebody is done under the boy-racer act and his car is not impounded it is 'green-stickered' - even if it is o.k. for a WOF, seems daft to me since green stickers are only (normally) used on cars that are not up to WOF standard because of minor and non-mechanical defects.

Unfortunately the BRA (?) is a fact of life and has not upset too many of the genuine b.r. type enthusiast and I have only used it as a means of getting young idiots to tone it down when they're playing up (nothing like the thought of their pride'n;joy being impounded with the accompanying expenses to make testosterone charges petrol heads cool off and fall into line)

[Lou Girardin]

There was an interesting letter in the Herald yesterday. The writer said that they caught some hoods in the act of robbing his car, chased them, got their rego and where they went. Cops didn't want to know, don't do car theft.
Woman at his work was burgled, cops told her to not touch anything till they showed up, in 3 days!
Writer's boss called the cops about 'boy-racers' in his street, cops were there in 5 minutes.
Now spud will chime in with a million reasons why this is so, but the public don't care about reasons. They just see the results.

[scumdog]

Now spud will chime in with a million reasons why this is so, but the public don't care about reasons. They just see the results.

"As they sow so shall they reap", the public are getting the service they want from the government they voted in - and OF COURSE they are going to show the government that on election day aren't they?




Yeah right!

[Jackrat]

"As they sow so shall they reap", the public are getting the service they want from the government they voted in - and OF COURSE they are going to show the government that on election day aren't they?




Yeah right!

That was a bit below the belt mate,
There is a choise????
Any other gov't that is available to us will do the same things,always have.
Every election year we have the current Gov't telling us what they've done and blaming anything they couldn't do on a previous Gov't.
We have the opposition saying they will crack down on this that and anything else they hope we're stupid enough to belive.
I've been able to vote since,I think 1975, and it's the same old, same old, every time.Bring back Gideon Tait and I MIGHT belive somebody is for real.But
it ain't gonn'a happen,is it??
As for the BRA,well I vist a shed that's full of old mazdas,hondas,fords,every week to pick up cars that will never be claimed back by the kids they were taken from because the same kids, if they are on the dole,will just get a loan and go buy a Skyline.Hell the BRA is doing them a favour and we're all paying for it.Damn who do we vote for if this crap is ever going to stop.
Then there's the gun laws,another money wasting,polly promoting,bleeding heart

[scumdog]

Ahhh yesss, my favourite hate, the renewal of my "lifetime licence" (for firearms)!!
My reminder has just arrived telling me I need to cough up $123.75 to renew my licence and if I leave it too late I have pay $236.25!!! w.t.f., who comes up with fees like that, why not $125 or $235 flat?
And will my new licence make me any safer? I don't think so Tim!!!

Why do all my toys cost so much to run/own/use? - maybe I voted for the wrong crew?

[jrandom]

Don't bleat too loudly, guys. The ACT party is the only one that doesn't want to make our gun laws *more* restrictive than they are now.

Try owning a gun in Oz, or (no, really!) some parts of the USA.

Or move to the UK. Best you'll get there is an Airsoft.

You can own what you like, here, apart from fully-automatic weapons. Good enough for me. I actually think the firearms licensing laws make sense, and I know of one case where their strict application and the removal of a license has demonstrably reduced risk to the public.

If we're going to bleat about the cost of bureaucracy, let's start with vehicles. Not the $135 every ten years it costs to maintain a gun license.

[What?]

Ahhh yesss, my favourite hate, the renewal of my "lifetime licence" (for firearms)!!
Why do all my toys cost so much to run/own/use? - maybe I voted for the wrong crew?

OK, so let's totally hijack this thread...
I wote to my local council lately to ask why it costs so much to register my dog, bearing in mind that dog rego was introduced purely to fund hydatits control. Now that hydatits is but a memory in NZ, should not dog rego be likewise?
They replied that the license fee was to pay the costs of dog control incurred by unlicensed owners!
Now go and ask the police stat's people what % of crimes committed using a firearm were committed by license holders (don't bother - they won't tell you, probably coz it's too embarrassing), or why a card that costs less than $10 to produce costs $123.
JRandom - you are part right, I think, but we should be attacking the pollies (by e-mail or letter, not just here) about ALL of these costs. If you think you will pay the equivalent of $123 in ten years to renew your firearms license, think again. My bet would be that the fee will treble in 10 years. My drivers license will also be scary...

[spudchucka]

There was an interesting letter in the Herald yesterday. The writer said that they caught some hoods in the act of robbing his car, chased them, got their rego and where they went. Cops didn't want to know, don't do car theft.
Woman at his work was burgled, cops told her to not touch anything till they showed up, in 3 days!
Writer's boss called the cops about 'boy-racers' in his street, cops were there in 5 minutes.
Now spud will chime in with a million reasons why this is so, but the public don't care about reasons. They just see the results.

Not a million reasons, only one. The traffic side of police is well resourced and the general duties branch is constantly strung out and poorly resourced.

If you can write a letter to fix that I'll stop giving you shit back, deal?

[scumdog]

Not a million reasons, only one. The traffic side of police is well resourced and the general duties branch is constantly strung out and poorly resourced.

If you can write a letter to fix that I'll stop giving you shit back, deal?

"Strung out"? I was the only member of the 'thin blue line' in an area almost as big as central Auckland on Saturday night, still, never mind I still issued 15 i.o.n.s No real Police work needed Lou!

[What?]

Not a million reasons, only one. The traffic side of police is well resourced and the general duties branch is constantly strung out and poorly resourced.

If you can write a letter to fix that I'll stop giving you shit back, deal?

Like the Police Assn. man said on the Holmes show, the resources are being poured in to traffic in order to retain the funding. This is at the expense of general duties policing, like theft, burglaries etc (unless the victim is a mason??).

If Lou can write a letter to fix that, I will nominate him for President of the Republic of UnZud.