Rego fee idea for BRONZ

[SPman]

One rego affixed to the "bike de jour" ......
a bit like what several people I know do now, only legally?
Sorry - won't work - to much like common sense.

An ACC levy on fuel would be a better way of doing it (haven't BRONZ been talking about this for a while??) - that way it would encompass all vehicles if they are being used on or off road, rego'ed or not, land, sea or air. (or all three if it all goes seriously wrong......!)
It would even cover people who put their foot in the mower.......

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Or easier still is to charge ACC levies on fuel, not on registration.

Then ride your bike, drive your cage, payy ACC. Leave bike or cage in the garage, don't pay ACC. Simple.

that way is the best... as then the ACC is paid by others like, boaties, when you get something flung in your eye from mowing the lawn etc etc etc...

has been put to parilment many times...

[rwh]

Or easier still is to charge ACC levies on fuel, not on registration.

Then ride your bike, drive your cage, payy ACC. Leave bike or cage in the garage, don't pay ACC. Simple.

I think it's too simple, unfortunately.

We put ourselves at greater risk by riding bikes (never mind who is at fault in an accident), and also use less petrol ... I don't think there's any way this scheme could be regarded as fair. Nice for us, yes, but not fair.

Richard

[rwh]

That's quite simple to avoid. Require all off-road and farm vehicles classed as motorcycles to be registered.

Isn't this very similar to the proposal that caused such a stink in the UK recently? Perhaps you wouldn't go as far as requiring bikes in museums to be registered, but it's still going to raise a huge amount of flak from the "I'll do what I want on my own land" crowd.

Actually, I'm not sure how different it is from the current situation anyway - the definition of 'road' is quite broad in this context, and IIRC includes areas that the public have access to, whether as of right or not. I'd have thought a farm would come under that category, especially if your gates aren't locked and/or you put in styles occasionally. And if it's a road by that definition, your bike needs to be registered.

Richard

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I think it's too simple, unfortunately.

We put ourselves at greater risk by riding bikes (never mind who is at fault in an accident), and also use less petrol ... I don't think there's any way this scheme could be regarded as fair. Nice for us, yes, but not fair.

Becomes a numbers game... at the end of the day you could end up paying more ACC over a year... or nothing if you doint ride it... and you are only paying for it when you use you vehicle.

Over all the ACC would make more cash (and at the end of the day thats all they are after, they don't care where it comes from)

And as I said, boaties, start paying ACC, and when you mow the lawn and trail bikers, farmering equipment and vehiles (ones that don't get registered) but still have accidents, and even paying extra acc when you are racing on the track, heck you will be paying ACC when you fill you gas bottle for the heater, and the BBQ, just in case it goes bang...

ACC isn't just for road accidents you know...

[mazz1972]

Multiple bikes in the garage = multiple registration fees.

Solution: ACC Levies on only one of the bikes registered to the owner.

I would be more happy to continue paying more ACC fees than a Class 1 holder if there was some fairness in the system as described above.

Great idea....for the two of us we have 4 bikes and 2 cars....somehow can't see the govt favouring it...

I think the current BRONZ policy favours the collection of excise at the petrol pump. Via a levy or system of them.

Got to be the fairest way IMO

[James Deuce]

Great idea....for the two of us we have 4 bikes and 2 cars....somehow can't see the govt favouring it...



Got to be the fairest way IMO

Heaps of KBers have more than one road registered bike. Just go look at their profiles. KB is by no means a majority of NZ's road registered motorcycle population.

I was merely airing an idea.

The fuel idea has been mooted since the late '80s. It still isn't policy is it?

[davereid]

Or easier still is to charge ACC levies on fuel, not on registration.

Then ride your bike, drive your cage, payy ACC. Leave bike or cage in the garage, don't pay ACC. Simple.

Totally agree - unavoidable, easy to collect, reflects vehicle usage not vehicle ownership.

Same for road tolls - no need to put tracking systems in place to send invoices. Just work out the (median) cost of a road per km, the number of km we travel, and how much fuel we use and presto, a fuel tax that funds our roads without any extra technology needed.

[Skyryder]

Until the Government recognises that the biker community is a political force................nothing will change. I have no idea of the number of registed bikes out on the road. Others here may have some idea. If half turned up outside Parliment say a few weeks prior to the next election I'd say that at least one Party would run with J2's idea. I've said this before get in their face with a massive ralley and use it for a membership drive at the same time. With all due respect BD and IX etc. websites just don't carry the same weight as a few thou mufflers reved up in a mutual roar in protest. DO IT.


Skyryder

[Big Dave]

With all due respect BD and IX etc. websites just don't carry the same weight as a few thou mufflers reved up in a mutual roar in protest. DO IT.
Skyryder

None taken - conversational tone:

What is it exactly you are going to protest and how are you going to communicate it?

There are no galvanizing issues, we've all got some peeves, but there's no single issues that the general populous feels strongly enough about to come to a planning meeting first even.

You need an agenda beyond 'we're pissed off about ACC' and chuck a few burnouts.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Until the Government recognises that the biker community is a political force................nothing will change. I have no idea of the number of registed bikes out on the road. Others here may have some idea. If half turned up outside Parliment say a few weeks prior to the next election I'd say that at least one Party would run with J2's idea. I've said this before get in their face with a massive ralley and use it for a membership drive at the same time. With all due respect BD and IX etc. websites just don't carry the same weight as a few thou mufflers reved up in a mutual roar in protest. DO IT.


Skyryder

that happpened in 1993... when they were going to increase the Rego and ACC fee to some abserd figure for motorcycles... it would have put the joys of motorcycling out of reach for alot of cyclists (including me) BRONZ organised a protest run out side parliment... I can't remember the number that turned up... but it was in the thousands... I rode down from Napier for it...

[NinjaNanna]

Then what about those who hold a M/Cycle license but haven't ridden in years? Are you suggesting suspending the license? What if I go to live overseas, does that mean that I have to pay an NZ levy or surrender my license?

NO in your circumstances you would volunterrily place your license on HOLD (to avoid paying the higher risk levy), and then re-activate it (no tests, no proof of competency required) when you decide to begin riding again.

Of course I do acknowledge that this would make it simple for the Authorities to introduce new legislation that did require re-testing if you had put your license on hold for an extended period - but would this be such a bad thing anyway? Could be linked to the need to attend a RRRS course or the likes as a refresher.


This approach seems pretty simple to me, and follows the same systems that are all ready in place for suspending the registration on project cars/bikes etc. This allows you to place rego on hold to do any long term work, and then re-license the vehicle with out the hassle of needing to re-rego/re-vin the vehicle when you have finished.

[SARGE]

how bout charging the horse people, the Thugby players and watercraft people too?

[scumdog]

My thoughts in the past have been: Buy an ACC levy 'ticket' each year - one for cars, one for bikes.
You can only drive/ride one at a time.

I've got 5 cars and 3 bikes and I'm lucky that all but CBs car are 40+ years old and rego is cheap for them.

But the bikes? Grrrr!

[Beemer]

I'd be keen, we've got five bikes and three cars! Even if we both use them at the same time, that's a maximum of two at a time so it does seem unfair. Only one is an off-road bike so all need to be registered if we are using them on the road. Not sure how they could do it fairly though.