Would you give up your Thou' for an 800cc MotoGP rep?

[imdying]

Instead of hijacking someones thread I have decide to start a new thread on this subject. If it doesn't interest you you don't have to post.

What I'm interested in is if the manufacturers brought out a crop of 800cc MotoGP replicas would you give up your equally developed 1000cc bike? Part of the appeal to me of the thou is the torque curve, and the way I see it if they brought out an 800cc bike with the same peak power it would not have the spread of torque the 1000cc bike would have. Or am I wrong?

Thoughts please.

(btw, I'm bringing imdyings and my posts across from the other thread.)

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Honda thou dropped for an 800 with the same (peak) power, and a 155kg chassis. It'll somewhat instantly make the thous antiques, plus they'll get the bonus of screwing Suzuki over (are they going to keep the GSXR750 name alive once the world heads 800?) and keeping the greenies happy to boot (they don't know any better, they'll just see a 20% decrease in capacity).

[onearmedbandit]

Suzuki already have the head start on them with the GSXR750. Adding another 45-50cc would be a piece of piss for them, they could do it over night. And part of the appeal of the thou's is the torque curve, which the 800cc machine won't have. Peak power matters very little in the real world.

[imdying]

Suzuki already have the head start on them with the GSXR750. Adding another 45-50cc would be a piece of piss for them, they could do it over night. And part of the appeal of the thou's is the torque curve, which the 800cc machine won't have. Peak power matters very little in the real world.

Technologically, piece of cake... killing off the GSXR750, I'm picking that would be a lot harder for Suzuki. The GSXR750 has pretty good torque itself... I' doubt they'd have to rape the torque curve much to get the 800 up to crazy power... like you say it's just a big bore 750.

[onearmedbandit]

You miss my point though. The torque that the current crop of thou's develop is part of the appeal, an appeal that the 800's couldn't match especially if they are developed to produce the power that the thou's do. You've ridden my bike, the torque spread is incredible.

[imdying]

Given the current rate of development, they wouldn't have a torque deficiency for very long. I doubt that you'd actually feel the deficiency at all if they built them at around 155kgs (i.e. current CBR600 weight) anyway.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm not doubting that there is a market for the 800's, but I don't believe that it would render the 1000c completely obsolete.

However, with part of the reason the thou's sell so well is that people want the 'top-dog', I could see that affecting the thou's market. And as soon as development slows on the thou's it would be the death knock for them. Gone the way of the 1100's of old. Market forces at work.

Still, I have some difficulty with the notion of giving up the torque and power of my thou for something that needs to strung out a lot harder to acheive what I have on tap now.

[imdying]

Torque is only good for pulling... ditch all the thou associated lard and you'll not miss it. Twin mufflers on the GSXR1000K7 anyone

But yes, they'll go the way of the 1100 when it happens.

[onearmedbandit]

Instead of hijacking someones thread I have decide to start a new thread on this subject. If it doesn't interest you you don't have to post.

What I'm interested in is if the manufacturers brought out a crop of 800cc MotoGP replicas would you give up your equally developed 1000cc bike? Part of the appeal to me of the thou is the torque curve, and the way I see it if they brought out an 800cc bike with the same peak power it would not have the spread of torque the 1000cc bike would have. Or am I wrong?

Thoughts please.

(btw, I'm bringing imdyings and my posts across from the other thread.)

[imdying]

Those evil moderators twisting words... 'equally developed'... he knows very well that they'll soften the thous up

[onearmedbandit]

I'm assuming for this debate that they won't. No sense in comparing a bike that could turn into a GSXF or CBRXX to a race breed GSXR or CBR.

Torque is only good for pulling... ditch all the thou associated lard and you'll not miss it.

And the difference in weight between the latest thou's and 600's is? 5/8 of feck all. And bear in mind that the new open class bikes have got these heavy exhaust because of emission controls due to the power they develop. You don't think an 800 producing the same power won't require the same?

[imdying]

What's the GSXR100K7 up to now? 170+kg? CBR600 07, 155kg?

[onearmedbandit]

Drop that exhaust and you lose 8+kg, just as you would have to do on the 800. And is that weight figure for the 600 genuine or something you pulled out of the air?

[imdying]

That's the Honda quoted figure, as is the Suzuki one... I figure they lie pretty much equally. Yes, much of the weight is in the exhaust... which you won't need as much of on an 800, as the 750 and 600 have already shown... they too pass the emission standards.

[The Pastor]

I think it will be awesome, I havnt ridden a modern thou, so I won't see the differance when they stop making the 1000's

[sugilite:Me]

World Superbike has increased the capacity for twins, I cannot see the market following motogp capacity trends. I'm quite sure the Jap manufacturers will stick with 1000 multis for a while yet...cheaper to produce power too me thinks