Indicating, laws, etc...

[Grahameeboy]

True, but only as you approach the intersection. The trick is to think of what relationship the two vehicles have when the right turning vehicle has entered the intersection and started to turn. I agree that this is perhaps a bit counter intuitive but I believe that this is the way it is seen in law.

To consider the fact that the vehicles are facing each other is of no use because this would mean that neither of them has to give way.

Mmm.....right turning vehicle is facing oncoming vehicle going straight and has to give way?

In a collision that results from this situation the right turning vehicle will always impact on the right side of the left turning vehicle. The give way rule applies primarily at the point where a collision would occur.

Not not always, the front of the left turning vehicle could impact on left side of turning vehicle.

Actually slightly right. But this is true for both drivers.

So basically looking ahead more than looking right then?

Note the black lines in the attached picture from the NZ road code. The rule applies to the lines, not to the cars as shown. The dotted line must give way because it is to the left of the solid one.

Must be that famous Kiwi logic like the turning left rule itself. Picture still shows both vehicles facing eachother from opposite directions and have never seen black lines

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[shafty]

Hi Liviy, pleased you're still with us.

I reckon you are exactly correct in what you say and what you did. Without repeating it all again, - you were sensible, and precautious, the other Guy cocked up, and YOU ARE RIGHT. Make sure when you talk to anyone, esp the Insurance co, be ADAMANT about it. Unfortunately sometimes the louder person is listened to, so "go in hard". Good luck MAte

[sunhuntin]

And another thing, in the US and Korea you can turn right (= left here) at a red light - it is such a good rule and keeps traffic moving, though you have to give way of course.

i love that... we need it here. sometimes, if you are late getting to the lights and the arrows gone red, you can sit through a whole cycle of lights, while, meanwhile, not a single car crosses your path.

it would require caution, but then, so does every other aspect of driving/riding.

i see in the states, they are petitioning to allow motorbikes to "run" red lights when they have been sitting for ages. [due to the pad not triggering] tis another good idea!