Traffic lights and the attitude of the Police

[scumdog]

More like they wouldn't have a clue what the really constitutes careless. As above: unquantifiable and emotive is opinion and worthless. Just because it's in law doesn't mean it's right.

Used a vehicle carelessly = "drove in a manner a normal prudent motorist would not" - kinda covers a shitload of situations.

How would you self-opinionated brainiacs 'legally' decribe careless use??

[Max Preload]

I still recall seeing the mess from where bikers were doing huge speeds and hit a small truck coming out of a driveway... just horrific. 2 lives lost and many leves wrecked as a result of a cocky rider going too fast and unable to take evasive action when the unexpected happened because he was going too fast.

Sounds the truck driver failing to give way was the cause.

[Toaster]

Sounds the truck driver failing to give way was the cause.

My understanding of the facts: The truck was actually driving down the road after pulling out - the biker came over a rise and up the arse of the truck at 200km/h plus. Simply had nowhere to go and no time to react as the rider gave himself no safety margin riding at such a high speed.

The other biker travelling behind and at slower speed drove through his mate - literally - and just missed the truck because he had more reaction time - because he was travelling slower.

[Max Preload]

My understanding of the facts: The truck was actually driving down the road after pulling out - the biker came over a rise and up the arse of the truck at 200km/h plus. Simply had nowhere to go and no time to react as the rider gave himself no safety margin riding at such a high speed.

The other biker travelling behind and at slower speed drove through his mate - literally - and just missed the truck because he had more reaction time - because he was travelling slower.

Driving at a speed at which he was unable to stop in half the distance of clear road ahead (quite often below the speed limit this can be the case) and following too close then...

[Toaster]

Driving at a speed at which he was unable to stop in half the distance of clear road ahead (quite often below the speed limit this can be the case) and following too close then...

hehe summit like that!

I remember blatting up SH16 one day at about 110kmh and came across some cows around a corner... lets just say I am glad I wasn't doing 140 like I had done the day prior... (bad Toaster, naughty boy) otherwise it would have been toasted cow burgers for months. The Gixxer pulled up really well considering I hit gravel and ended up face to face with Miss Daisy.

[Toaster]

What I am getting at is - expect the unexpected - it may save your life one day.

[Toaster]

Used a vehicle carelessly = "drove in a manner a normal prudent motorist would not" - kinda covers a shitload of situations.

I loved that word "prudent"... most people who got interviewed after crashes had not idea what I mean't by the word (which was no great revelation!).

They were always so quick to blame everything but themselves for what happened. Good to see they all nodded the head in court or paid their fines though. I just hope they actually learned their lesson.

[Max Preload]

I loved that word "prudent"... most people who got interviewed after crashes had not idea what I mean't by the word (which was no great revelation!).

They were always so quick to blame everything but themselves for what happened. Good to see they all nodded the head in court or paid their fines though. I just hope they actually learned their lesson.

One persons prudent is another's pissing about like an old woman... and therein lies the problem. The most incompetent and slow drivers are the most prudent but this does not make their presence on the road safer.

Since my last post I've just driven 40km on the southern motorway and even in that short distance came across several drivers who were cause for concern. One muppet in a Commonwhore decided he wanted to share my lane. He indicated but didn't look. He looked when he got a blast of the horn though. I figure he was a bit tanked... I saw him leave his right indicator on (separate time - he was in the right lane) for about 1km. I was going to *555 him but since he wasn't speeding I doubt they'd be interested in what might only be incompetence. Besides, I've reported drunks before and wasted my time. The only one I've been inclined to follow hit the median barrier southbound past Mt Wellington and rode up it - I swear the whole damn van he was driving leapt in the air. He got off at Otahuhu and we followed him around in circles before he got caught - prick could barely stand up.

These are the fucktards we have to share the road with - no amount of not speeding is going to make you safe around them.

[scumdog]

These are the fucktards we have to share the road with - no amount of not speeding is going to make you safe around them.

And speeding WILL make you safer around them??????

[Chrislost]

This morning I was dutifully waiting at the lights at the corner of Fanshawe and Halsey streets facing east. My light changes to green and, as happens every morning at that intersection, two cars are still crossing perpendicular to me heading into Halsey St.

The unusual thing about this morning was that there was a bike cop sitting on his bike in a prime position to have seen them enter the intersection. He did nothing. I executed a u-turn further up Fanshawe St. and pulled up beside him. I pointed out what I've described above and his answer was that if the light turns red after you have crossed the white line you're legal. I pointed out that you're technically supposed to stop on a yellow if you can do so and he replied that if they ticketed every occurrence of this they'd have to ticket everybody in Auckland (fair enough to a point).

Now, If I'm not mistaken there's a 2 second pause between one light changing to red and the other changing to green. At 50km/h you travel approximately 28m in 2 seconds. Considering that lanes are between 2 and 3m in width and there were 3 lanes to cross to cross before they reached my side of the road this would be a time of at most approximately 0.6 seconds. Surely this means that the light was red before they crossed their white line?

If the police are going to ignore this sort of blatant infraction it's only going to get worse.

Also, he seemed miffed at the fact that I'd been bold enough to question him. I think the police need to remember who they work for.

that it is legal is horse shit!
i ahve got a fine for running a orange light.
fuck them and their fucking judgement!

[Max Preload]

And speeding WILL make you safer around them??????

It won't make you less safe. The more time you spend in close proximity, the more opportunity they have to smack into you.

[scumdog]

It won't make you less safe. The more time you spend in close proximity, the more opportunity they have to smack into you.

And the faster you go the more opportunity you have to plough into them - at a better speed.

[Ocean1]

So far all judges have agree with MY 'considering'.

I guess they too know a loser when they see one.

OK, (sigh), gota confess there was a huge tongue-in-cheek component to my post. Orta learned by now it don't work on the interweeb.

However, tongue firmly under control... Scummie, the judges almost always agree with opinions expressed in police statements. For good reason, usually they're valid opinions relative to the case. I can believe your considerations are worthy of belief. Can you do me the courtise of returning the favour?

Unfortunately over the last decade or so I've become aware of far too many cases where not only official opinion but official factual reporting has been constructed, sometimes to an alarming extent. The fact that the courts discourage or ignore challenges to official opinion (particularly in traffic cases) simply propagates this. Saying the judge agrees with official opinion in no way explains or excuses outright lies.

I'm seriously pissed about that, the one thing that authority has which does make a difference and is actually able to influence public behaviour is respect. Particularly respect for the truth. If it's not obvious I speak from personal experience. Does that make me a looser? I don't believe so. Your opinion there is as poorly researched and flippantly applied as some of the more official ones I've seen. The official examples mean that my respect for the police is less than what it was, and I'm as sorry about that as you are.

I get the feeling that person had a reason for saying that to you.

"Considered" comes from the fact the driver/rider crashed and its their fault, not the vehicle or conditions or anyone else, just the driver/rider being a dickhead.

Perhaps, I certainly have no problem whatsoever with taking responsibility for my actions or the outcomes of my behaviour. Maybe I’ve been lucky but it’s a fact that I’ve never harmed or caused anyone to come to harm on the road. I’m just questioning the validity of an interested party’s interpretation of events, especially when “considered” is often used as a backup charge.

Disinterested, dude, the correct ethical precept for policing is disinterest.

[Max Preload]

And the faster you go the more opportunity you have to plough into them - at a better speed.

Based on that logic I'd say it balances out to be no different then - they have to be quicker to get you.

In any case, being 10% over an arbitrary speed limit is going to make no difference when the conditions are suitable. Being able to judge the condition and adjust your speed accordingly is safer than simply sticking to a speed limit. The fact this is ignored by the police as far as road safety goes is obvious - quotas to fill mean they spend their time writing tickets for speeding while dangerous and careless driving goes largely unnoticed until the drivers that shouldn't be on the road cause a serious accident with their inattention.

[Toaster]

And speeding WILL make you safer around them??????

Dang, you beat me to it. It's the typical strategy of change the topic onto someone else doing something else wrong to cover my own sins... makes them feel better about themselves.