The time has come!!!

[MSTRS:Me]

And your point is/was ???
That Officialese is not a language that you are familiar with?

[imdying]

If a standard V8 Commodore fails the decibel reading there is no hope of any bike passing.

Bikes have a higher limit than bikes, about 5 (or 6?) dB more.

These changes were made to mess with the boy racers... generally, if you're not being a prick, you'll be fine. As Sensei has shown us though, there are always exceptions.

As an aside, my SV isn't the quietest bike in the world... I have however sat at the front of traffic, and chatted to a policeman who had stopped the traffic to let a graduation parade pass over the road. I sat there with it idling angrily away for about 5 minutes, and he didn't even mention that is was quite loud, and neither did his two other colleagues who were with the parade.

In contrast, Sportzone Suzuki here in Chch who fitted the Micron cans that I had on my bike originally (maybe slightly quieter than my current exhaust if anything), said they wouldn't give me a warrant with the dB killers removed, but to be honest, I suspect they wouldn't have given me a warrant with them in either. There are of course hundreds of places you can go that are quite reasonable and realistic about such things, all you need to do when you've a non standard exhaust is ask them before you get them to do a warrant check.

I accept that people get a bit wound up about the 'test' being purely subjective... but consider the price of a certified dB meter, and keeping if certified and accurate, and how difficult it would be to setup each WOF station with a consistent test area (walls and the like make sound reverberate, increasing your 'score').

[imdying]

If you change your exhaust to make it louder, you must get a Low Volume Vehicle Tester to certify that the result is with acceptable limits. Unless the loudness is insignificantly more than the factory original.

Yep, if you're declined for a warrant, or are ordered (defected?) by the police, then you must get a LVVT to certify your exhaust dB output. IIRC there are 14 certified testing devices in NZ, 1 fixed in Chch, and 1 travelling the SI. I think Donn Hoff is the man here in Chch who has the fixed one. The 12 others are in the NI. The cost iirc is $380, and the plate must be riveted to the tailpipe.

[Grahameeboy]

And your point is/was ???
That Officialese is not a language that you are familiar with?

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[MSTRS:Me]

.... all you need to do when you've a non standard exhaust is ask them before you get them to do a warrant check.

How, before they are fitted, after which they are a used item?
I agree the logistics of having sound gear in every WOF place is a biggie, but if LTSA are focussed on sound levels then they should remove the subjective component altogether or stop fucking with the 'rules'

[imdying]

How, before they are fitted, after which they are a used item?
I agree the logistics of having sound gear in every WOF place is a biggie, but if LTSA are focussed on sound levels then they should remove the subjective component altogether or stop fucking with the 'rules'

If you've got them, you just need to be more selective about where you go for a warrant. Yeah that's a pain, but the option of course is to keep a standard pipe.

I can just accept that as being part of living in a country with finite resources, I can however accept why others can't... the finer the margin you run, the more you want (need) to know how closer you're running to it.

[MSTRS:Me]

If you've got them, you just need to be more selective about where you go for a warrant. Yeah that's a pain, but the option of course is to keep a standard pipe.

I can just accept that as being part of living in a country with finite resources, I can however accept why others can't... the finer the margin you run, the more you want (need) to know how closer you're running to it.

Barring OnRoad & VTNZ, I think there is one place that does bikes in the Napier area, so not a great choice. Having never had a standard pipe on the 750, if it's been good enough in the past, why not now? What I object to is the fact that there is no consistency, unlike tread depth or disc thickness or whatever. If LTSA want under a certain dB level then they need to ensure the WOF issuers have and use a meter, not their ears

[imdying]

1 place, wow, that's a bugger.

You are quite correct, there should be consistent rule. Keep wishing for that loud enough, and you'll get it soon enough... it's called 'Only standard pipes on bikes, unless you get a LV cert, period'.

As far as 'why now', you can answer that for yourself.

[MSTRS:Me]

1 place, wow, that's a bugger.

You are quite correct, there should be consistent rule. Keep wishing for that loud enough, and you'll get it soon enough... it's called 'Only standard pipes on bikes, unless you get a LV cert, period'.

As far as 'why now', you can answer that for yourself.

Which is where this thread came in. And the only LVVT here says it's a crock so I guess that I'll just grab a stack of compliance certificates from him....wanna buy one?

[imdying]

Yep, how much?

[MSTRS:Me]

Yep, how much?

Let me just secure the supply and we'll talk....

[Conquiztador]

The changes you guys are talking about are in place in many countries already. Germany is one of the worst. ANY change to a bike compared to original needs a certificate. ( Not allowed to change handle bars, foot pegs, wheel, U name it. No go.) If there is no paperwork, then you are out of luck. That is the reason that Germans engrave and paint their bikes and nothing else.

Sweden was going down this track over 20 years ago. But the motor cycle community got together and lobbied the rulers with some sensible alterantives. After meetings and discussion (the Sewdish way...) there was a compromise put in place. So today Sweden is still the country where customizing is king.

Maybe time to get something similar going here in NZ before it is too late??

[imdying]

Gotta be the tag that is riveted onto the tailpipe, that's the one we want (need)

[imdying]

The changes you guys are talking about are in place in many countries already. Germany is one of the worst. ANY change to a bike compared to original needs a certificate. ( Not allowed to change handle bars, foot pegs, wheel, U name it. No go.) If there is no parework, then you are out of luck. That is the reason that Germans engrave and paint their bikes and nothing else.

This is actually the case here... those are all what they consider structural changes (except the wheels, although...), and all of those require at a LV cert. Of course, the law is enforced to the letter here at the moment. If we don't take to much in the give n take, we'll be fine for a good while yet.

[Conquiztador]

This is actually the case here... those are all what they consider structural changes (except the wheels, although...), and all of those require at a LV cert. Of course, the law is enforced to the letter here at the moment. If we don't take to much in the give n take, we'll be fine for a good while yet.

Goood. Lets take the "head in the sand" approach.

Is there any group/organisation that is working on this for bikes so that it does not turn in to a draconian nightmare like in Germany?