Biking in a cage driver world

[wkid_one]

I don't have an issue with Horseriding - having a partner once who was an instructor.  What I have an issue with is the fact Riding Centres and Riders pay now ACC subsidies.  One of the highest ACC claiming sports in NZ is netball (fingers/knees and ankles) - again with no premiums....

I agree with Motu - we, as per my previous post, have fewer 'number of accidents' than car drivers etc...however, because the government can in fact seperate us to tax us (via registration) - we are singled out.  Whereas sports and pasttime injuries go without a contra revenue collection.

However, the are alway going to be idiots - whether it is motorcycling or table tennis - which the masses will subsidise - I just begrudge us paying for other ACC claimants outside of motorcycling.  In an ideal world - we would pay our premium - it would stay in a pool -and if at the end of the year the total claims was less than the pool - we would all get a refund (not I am blatantly ignoring the reverse - because it is government subsidised).

A social service should never be run to make a profit.

[Motu]

Poor old Norm Kirk would cry if he saw what has happened to the welfare state he created - the whole thing was to self funding - but two things happened - following governments couldn't keep their hands off the cash pool....and we have created several generations who have sucked the welfare system dry - they have never worked a day in their lives,and nor did their parents,even when they did work they end up on ACC,preferably with a lump sum payout.
sorry,you must of hit a nerve

[Yamahamaman]

Originally posted by Motu
Poor old Norm Kirk would cry if he saw what has happened to the welfare state he created - the whole thing was to self funding

I thought I was the only one who had these thoughts.

[bikerboy]

Self fund? I've been here for over ten years and all I have seen is tax, tax, tax.

This is the only country in the developed world where people pay tax in advance of earning it with an assumed minimum 10% annual increase!!!!

Mr. Kirk was either an idiot or a dreamer, UNLESS
his NZ had a lot more people working versus those collecting benefits. Now there are three people collecting for every one working. Self funding doesn't have a hope or a prayer of working now.


(No disrepect intended)

[Marmoot]

I have no problem with horseriding. Heck, I don't even have problem with paying for kids that fall off. I don't mind my ACC levy being used in other than bike crashes.

What I mind is the government telling people we have to pay ACC levy because we are the biggest claimants while the others only get a fraction of the increase simply because the government is afraid of losing votes.

It's not the increase. It's the way they say about the increase.

But, then again, what can we do? Nothing.

[BigB]

We all hate the ACC levy's but all car drivers should be made to ride a bike at some point.

In the past 2 days I've had 3 near misses, not 1 my fualt!! courier van pulls out in front of me on round about just missed him and the other two were people tail gating

Going home last night coming up to greenlane off ramp, move from centre lane into slow lane doing about 90 kph. Next thing I know the car in fron is hitting the picks big time, so I follow suit and we come to a stop. As I stop a 4x4 is coming to a stop on the verge beside the car in FRONT of me!!(I'm in the slow lane) you can imagine what was going though my head F******K. If he hadn't swerved to the left I would have been well and truely stuffed between the 2. Next comes the anger suptid tin top driver where the F did you get your licence!!

So our levys go up because if I had been caught between the 2 I would have substained serious injuries in a motorbike accident.

go figure

[Antallica]

Yeah I've had a few near misses and 2 crashes in my 5 months of riding.

Some lady stopping right in the middle of a roundabout just staring at me, she should have given way to be but stopped as a possum would at my lights.

Another dude I was driving alongside (2 lane highway), he indicated and just started merging into my lane, he didn't even bother to look or anything. Had to move right close to the kerb before he noticed. (should have gotten his no. plate)

But I guess Whangarei isn't as full of butt pipes like Auckland. (classic jaffa cage drivers) - no offence to the bikies

[Kwaka-Kid]

yep

the way it goes in auckland... Change Lane, Indicate, Look (to see if you hit a bike off)

wankers. i was hit off like that luckily @ low speed, picked up the CB, kick started her, and rode home with a nice big scratch down the side of the car, dickhead, would have pounded him if i wasnt 60somthing kg and only 5foot 10 back then.. and he was at least 20stone. damn, wasnt worth getting my head beaten in, told him briefly what i thought and rode home.

[bikerboy]

Here's my two cents worth.

First, I agree with all of the above,good points well stated, however the basic problem is the no fault system combined with two few paying in versus those that get to collect.

Motorcyclists are targeted because the cost of care is higher compared to car drivers when an accident occurs, sorry but it a fact. The no fault system does not allow them to charge drivers more even if they cause most our injuries.

Then you have all these leisure groups as mentioned above that incur costs above the average person but are not targeted as a group. This is, as previously stated, because it would be a vote loser.


So how to get more money from fewer people? Raise the costs for the unpopular activities (voter wise), hence motorcyclists!

Solution: Get active, let the Government know we are unhappy and will
vote accordingly in bulk. Make as much noise as often as posible at
every opportunity.

[Coldkiwi]

Originally posted by bikerboy
Make as much noise as often as posible at
every opportunity.

roger that! So... who wants to ride down to parliament and leave their mufflers at home? Maybe i'll book in a wellington detour after the coldkiwi rally...

 

[wkid_one]

It is more to do with the governments ability to identify, segregate and then target specific groups.  As sporting and leisure activities are largely completed in a persons own time with NO way of identifying they are doing it unti the accident - their is no way to obtain revenue - unless ACC becomes user pays..

We are targeted because the government can collect revenue from us easily via our registrations....these other groups don't have easy sources of revenue collection - ie how to you tax a pedestrian?? You hope their employer pays the ACC component of their tax each wage cycle - but this is indirect.

The issue is - that in the eyes of ACC - we are the high risk activity that can be taxed....not necessarily the highest risk activity. 

The easy solution - user pays - but what an uproar that would cause.....

I would love to see a breakdown of total tax collected from motorcyclists versus total payouts.....I would still guess there would be a shortfall.

 

Hey Spanky?  Were you going down Nelson St and 5pm last night and looping to go back in to Hobson?- if so - bike looks and sounds wicked.

[Motu]

Originally posted by bikerboy
Self fund? I've been here for over ten years and all I have seen is tax, tax, tax.

This is the only country in the developed world where people pay tax in advance of earning it with an assumed minimum 10% annual increase!!!!

Mr. Kirk was either an idiot or a dreamer, UNLESS
his NZ had a lot more people working versus those collecting benefits. Now there are three people collecting for every one working. Self funding doesn't have a hope or a prayer of working now.


(No disrepect intended)

Norm Kirk came from a generation of Kiwi's with a strong work ethic - he built his own house,using concrete blocks he made himself with a mold he made himself - his biggest mistake was probably that he thought everyone else was just like him - sorry Norm,we weren't.

[Kwaka-Kid]

we aint? damn.

[Duke of Rogan]

Originally posted by wkid_one
Hey Spanky?  Were you going down Nelson St and 5pm last night and looping to go back in to Hobson?- if so - bike looks and sounds wicked.

I was around there about that time last night going home from work, but you would of known it was me 'cos of the damaged fairings

[SpankMe]

Originally posted by wkid_one
Hey Spanky?  Were you going down Nelson St and 5pm last night and looping to go back in to Hobson?- if so - bike looks and sounds wicked.

Yep, sounds like me. Those Yoshi cans give the bike big dogs bollocks