Biking in a cage driver world

**georgedubyabush** · 22nd July 2003, 18:37

Originally posted by Antallica

But I guess Whangarei isn't as full of butt pipes like Auckland. (classic jaffa cage drivers) - no offence to the bikies

sure it is, every summer during migration, each one towing a boat too.

**bikerboy** · 22nd July 2003, 18:46

Make the ACC levy more obvious to the basic tax payer. Deduct it at the end of the years last paycheck or add it to the amount of tax to pay on the form.

As for the others, tax their equipment, horse supplies, sports equipment, etc., at time of purchase.

If people see it, they may be more responsible or vocal.

**wkid_one** · 23rd July 2003, 10:15

Or you could get real draconian and get them to write a cheque out at the time of the accident!!

lol - ..'right m'am, I am just going to give you some pain relief...but before I do that, can I please have your credit card details?'......

**Coldkiwi** · 23rd July 2003, 12:33

Thats pretty much what parts of the US are like... compulsory medical insurance because its the insurance company that pays for the ambulance to come pick up your sorry backside off the road. No medico insurance, no pain killers.

NZ ain't so bad....

**SPman** · 23rd July 2003, 12:44

But what happened B4 ACC?

You had a crash, the ambulance picked you up and took you to hospital.....just like now.

**wkid_one** · 23rd July 2003, 12:47

I know how much money I have soaked up in ACC costs in my life - and buggered if I would have wanted to pay for it. With all the sports I played - the injuries were countless and regular -

Couple of ops done
two more pending.
Dentistry from rugby accidents
CAT/MRI scans
Ambulance rides and the list goes on

None of this was from a motorcyle accident - all from sporting accidents - where no ACC premium has been recouped from me - scary really...

I think tho - Medical Insurance is a must - I pay it - so do begrudge paying ACC premiums at the same time. If you can prove you are paying Medical Insurance - your ACC levy should be reduced?

**Big Dog** · 23rd July 2003, 14:24

What amuses me is all the times that these accidents are caused by the very people who would not need acc to cover their costs.

The second day I had my Bike a Mercedes pulled across without a second look then slammed on his anchors exactly in the middle of my path nowhere to go either end of his car.

Think pissing down with rain.
Think going downhill on Khyber Pass.
Think 2 up approx laden wheight 250kg.
Think back wheel at least 6inches of the ground.
and what does this mercedes mercenary do?
Flip me off, and lean out the window just long enough to see that I was over 6ft before thinking better of it and taking off.

I have done about three stoppies since then. None intentional.
one more 2up and all because a $60K tin top thought their car not suffering from abuse from the road, gutters etc., was more important than my life.

Tell a tin top and you get a big

But I still think it is my job to keep the ambo's out of work not the other drivers.

Almost daily a tin top tries to kill me but I'm still here, and still givin it a go.

When all is said & done I don't mind the increase as I too have used my share of acc (push bike vs multiple cars) I just object to the malicious targeting of a minority.

heres to keeping the black bits down.:roadkill:

**bikerboy** · 23rd July 2003, 16:12

Not quite CK.

In America, if you have insurance they take you to a lovely state of the art hospital and you get the best care right away.

If you don't have insurance then you get taken to a public hospital were you get only as much state of the art care as required to keep you from dying in the hospital after waiting hours in a que depending on serious ness of injury and then they quickly kick your ass out as soon as possible, no charge unless they can find a way to get money from you: loans, credit cards, etc.

Been to the ER at Middlemore?, not too very different really.

**wkid_one** · 23rd July 2003, 16:19

Yeah BB - Middlemore took 4 hours to reduce my shoulder when I dislocated it - talk about pain.....

Spanky - the bike looked good...nice choice....

**Urban Terrorist** · 23rd July 2003, 16:45

I hope like hell we don't follow the American system to it's full extent.
In one case I'm aware of, a guy on a bike was hit by someone who carried the minimum possible insurance. When it was all added up, his own insurance company picked up the rest, then turned around and sued HIM to recover their losses. Truely a screwed up system.
There is a mention of it in his rant http://www.blackletter.org/featured%...roletariat.htm
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**Coldkiwi** · 24th July 2003, 12:57

my apologies for being a little misinformed... but having read urbans post, i'd almost rather i was right!!

**Duke of Rogan** · 24th July 2003, 14:10

I had a re-read of the LTSA "indicator" newletter this morning that came with the "rego due" notice for my wifes car a week or so back, and I realised that we as motorcyclists are now being stung twice for ACC levies! both at the pump and when paying registration.
It states:
"While there will be no increase in the motor vehicle fee levy for petrol driven vehicles the petrol excise duty will increase from 2.3 cents to 5.08 cents per litre of petrol"
then there is more:
"Owners of non-petrol driven vehicles (such as diesel) will pay an additional ammount, on average a 19 percent increase, on their motor vehicle license fee levy to reflect their share of the levy increase"

WTF! do they think all motorcycles run on diesel?

:confused2

**MikeL** · 24th July 2003, 21:13

Before you get an attack of the warm fuzzies thinking that the driver has been so kind and considerate by pulling over to let you pass, just imagine what the average driver actually sees in his mirror. A (usually) powerful bike, ridden by someone who must obviously be physically strong to control such weight and power, wearing (often) black leather and heavy boots, and a helmet that hides everything except the eyes, and inevitably recalls Darth Vader... And that logo on your jacket, from a distance, looks a bit like a patch... They're not being kind, mate, they're just scared sh*tless!

(Or at least some of them are. Admittedly others see you as
a challenge and a provocation...

)

**PZR** · 24th July 2003, 21:52

I dont know about you lot but I find a lot of people move over to the left when they see me coming up behind them. If they do I give them a wave to say thanks when I go past. Its common courtesy if nothing else and maybe one person less will hate motorbike riders in the future or perhaps they will look more carefully for that handsome fellow in those oh so flattering leathers next time they pull out of an intersection.
Be nice and people will be nice back (most of the time anyway)

And if they are one of those tormented souls

that feel the need to threaten a law abiding

bike rider with their big steel cages that restrain them in their narrow lives, then we should forgive them brothers and sisters (but follow them home and kick the shit out of their cars when they are'nt around. Effing so and so,s!!
Seriously though.....thank em when appropriate, some deserve it as not everyones an arsehole

PZR
I deleted this as I thought Id put it in the wrong place so Ive now resubmitted it again as Im a confused computer user. What the hell

MikeL you are probably right Im just to nice for words