Welly to Mana speeding - One for the legals

[Macktheknife]

Just renew the licence and wait and see if the ticket turns up, IF it does then write a letter, but I don't know if you will ever see this one.

[mark247]

Why is it that sometimes they give you a ticket on the spot and other times they send it in the mail?

[Patrick]

Why is it that sometimes they give you a ticket on the spot and other times they send it in the mail?

On the way to another job..
No ticket book in the car...
Want to get to the donut shop for the specials instead of talking to ya...
Prolly many many more...

[mark247]

On the way to another job..
No ticket book in the car...
Want to get to the donut shop for the specials instead of talking to ya...
Prolly many many more...

officer cant spell?

[Patrick]

officer cant spell?

The lowering of standards? Maybe...

[Babelfish]

Good effort guys. Thanks for all the advice. Basically, much of it reflects the way I'm thinking at the moment:

1. I may not get the ticket in the mail. Not getting it would be the best option.
2. I got my license renewed the very next day.
3. The license was an honest mistake, and fortunately common sense prevailed on that one as I knew it was a 4hundy and walk home offence.
4. He never said he had actually followed me, and the 125km/hr was an "average" he decided on on the spot.
5. The cop car didnt ping me at all. I wasnt speeding.
6. He was off to "pick someone up" so wrote everything into a book. Funnily enough the car also had to "pick someone up" so they both pissed off for a bevvy together. Shame cos I was getting to like them
7. It must be Carvers turn to type while WierdoinSpandex gargles his bell end.

[sAsLEX]

If you fight it, you may get the whole works:

• Driving unlicensed
• Exceeding the limit
• Points

Can they just start adding charges at that stage??

he has been let off the licence matter ($400 instant fine and forbidden to drive there and then at the roadside until licence obtained BTW...) and "MIGHT" post out a speeding ticket... might not... if he has sorted his licence, as it shows "enthusiasm" to rectify a problem...

Seems pretty harsh for someone who "IS" licensed they just havent gone and paid the $35 to renew it.
How often do people check there DL to see when to renew it?

[Babelfish]

Can they just start adding charges at that stage??

...

Seems pretty harsh for someone who "IS" licensed they just havent gone and paid the $35 to renew it.
How often do people check there DL to see when to renew it?

Whether they can add the other charges afterwards is the big question. I think I'm justified in disputing the speed, but the licence WAS expired so I have no argument for that.

Other than as you say, I AM licensed and simply havent paid $45 for the new one. And here's the kicker, just over a year ago I got my full license so they gave me a shiny new license then...only to get me to pay for it again now...ARRRRRRRSE!

[Patrick]

Seems pretty harsh for someone who "IS" licensed they just havent gone and paid the $35 to renew it.
How often do people check there DL to see when to renew it?

That is where the attitude test is applied... fail that, start walking.... with the paper work that you would also have just been given...

Whether they can add the other charges afterwards is the big question. I think I'm justified in disputing the speed, but the licence WAS expired so I have no argument for that.

Other than as you say, I AM licensed and simply havent paid $45 for the new one. And here's the kicker, just over a year ago I got my full license so they gave me a shiny new license then...only to get me to pay for it again now...ARRRRRRRSE!

If he warned you at the time, game over, done deal... unethical to then turn around and charge...

The speed is disputable, going from what you have said... the cops version may be completely different???

As for the licence... good work sorting it asap... could be the saving grace.

You upgraded your current licence to a full, but your current licence had been paid up for only 1 more year... this is what catches many out... They upgrade and think they will get it for another 10 years. Keep an eye on the dates of expiry fellas and fellesses....

[Babelfish]

Tickets arrived....128 was the speed, $230 was the fine

Mate, take the ticket. You were lucky

Why's that?

[jafar]

Tickets arrived....128 was the speed, $230 was the fine

Write in & dispute it , you were not pinged by radar & there is enough doubt to make it worth the ink to challenge it.

[Babelfish]

Write in & dispute it , you were not pinged by radar & there is enough doubt to make it worth the ink to challenge it.

Letter went on Wednesday so awaiting response. Will post back here when I....um.....hear.

[Grahameeboy]

Letter went on Wednesday so awaiting response. Will post back here when I....um.....hear.

Ask for his 'Certification'..........well you are allowed to with radar equipment..

When that guy on Beyond's ride got away with 210kph the cop said it was because his radar picked up 210, 150 and 130 due to other bikes just behind and that in Law he could not say what his speed was so how come the cop's human radar can be upheld in Court.

[Babelfish]

Ask for his 'Certification'..........well you are allowed to with radar equipment..

When that guy on Beyond's ride got away with 210kph the cop said it was because his radar picked up 210, 150 and 130 due to other bikes just behind and that in Law he could not say what his speed was so how come the cop's human radar can be upheld in Court.

Yep, groups are protected by their numbers. I've often thought the rozzers would have an issue ascertaining speed in night time peak traffic because of the "noise". I can only imagine they'd be best to sneak up on you so they can single you out.

Here's the letter:
New Zealand Police Infringement Bureau
PO Box 9147
Wellington 6141
Dear Sir or Madam:
I write in regard to notice BLABLA. The notice indicates a speeding offence between Wellington and Mana (although the notice states Porirua), stating that I traveled 128 km/hr.
On the occasion when I was stopped by Officer BLABLA, he told me that he had followed me from the Aotea Quay on-ramp to Mana, and claimed that the duration between the two points was 7 minutes. I must say that after hearing this at the time I was somewhat flustered and a little confused as to how I would achieve that as I am not known to be a fast rider in the least.
I researched this statement and found the distance between Wellington and Mana is 22.5 km. In my daily commuting I generally travel this distance in around 15-18 minutes in peak traffic. By my calculation, to travel this distance in 7 minutes I would have to ride at a speed of 191 km/hr. This is not taking into account the 80/60 km/hr area through the gorge. This is surely impossible during peak hour traffic and is certainly not the type of speed I would ever condone.
On being given a talking to by the officer I berated myself on my riding, thinking I must have been riding like an idiot. However, upon reflection I am not entirely certain that the office stopped the right person. I most certainly did not ride the speed that he indicated and can only assume the initial person he saw could not be me. No rider passed me, however there are a number of exits between Wellington and Mana that may have been taken.
The officer said that he did not record my speed from his radar, but he calculated both from the time taken to reach Mana, and the fact that he had to reach 140 km/hr to catch up to me. I am unsure why this might be, as I was not speeding. Also, from the officers calculation I had been traveling at 191 km/hr so how could he catch up to me at 140 km/hr?
To this end, I’d like to understand more about this incident. Could I please be sent:
• The officers notes, both front and rear.
• Since the officers own speedo was used in the calculation, could I also have the certification of accuracy of the bikes speedo.
• If the officer did in fact use a radar, could I please see the certificate of accuracy for it and the officers certification to use the device.
Should the officer have guessed my speed over this distance, I’d like to request a review of the incident as I honestly do not believe I reached the speed he has indicated.

I look forward to your response, and further information to understand how he came to believe I went as fast as he has stated.

Sincerely,

Babelfish

(that was actually a draft, but pretty close to what was sent because the final is at work)

[Grahameeboy]

Yep, groups are protected by their numbers. I've often thought the rozzers would have an issue ascertaining speed in night time peak traffic because of the "noise". I can only imagine they'd be best to sneak up on you so they can single you out.

Here's the letter:
New Zealand Police Infringement Bureau
PO Box 9147
Wellington 6141
Dear Sir or Madam:
I write in regard to notice BLABLA. The notice indicates a speeding offence between Wellington and Mana (although the notice states Porirua), stating that I traveled 128 km/hr.
On the occasion when I was stopped by Officer BLABLA, he told me that he had followed me from the Aotea Quay on-ramp to Mana, and claimed that the duration between the two points was 7 minutes. I must say that after hearing this at the time I was somewhat flustered and a little confused as to how I would achieve that as I am not known to be a fast rider in the least.
I researched this statement and found the distance between Wellington and Mana is 22.5 km. In my daily commuting I generally travel this distance in around 15-18 minutes in peak traffic. By my calculation, to travel this distance in 7 minutes I would have to ride at a speed of 191 km/hr. This is not taking into account the 80/60 km/hr area through the gorge. This is surely impossible during peak hour traffic and is certainly not the type of speed I would ever condone.
On being given a talking to by the officer I berated myself on my riding, thinking I must have been riding like an idiot. However, upon reflection I am not entirely certain that the office stopped the right person. I most certainly did not ride the speed that he indicated and can only assume the initial person he saw could not be me. No rider passed me, however there are a number of exits between Wellington and Mana that may have been taken.
The officer said that he did not record my speed from his radar, but he calculated both from the time taken to reach Mana, and the fact that he had to reach 140 km/hr to catch up to me. I am unsure why this might be, as I was not speeding. Also, from the officers calculation I had been traveling at 191 km/hr so how could he catch up to me at 140 km/hr?
To this end, I’d like to understand more about this incident. Could I please be sent:
• The officers notes, both front and rear.
• Since the officers own speedo was used in the calculation, could I also have the certification of accuracy of the bikes speedo.
• If the officer did in fact use a radar, could I please see the certificate of accuracy for it and the officers certification to use the device.
Should the officer have guessed my speed over this distance, I’d like to request a review of the incident as I honestly do not believe I reached the speed he has indicated.

I look forward to your response, and further information to understand how he came to believe I went as fast as he has stated.

Sincerely,

Babelfish

(that was actually a draft, but pretty close to what was sent because the final is at work)

Looks good........surely the only way to do a distance speed check is to have another cop ahead...they do this in UK using bridges....just seems to airyfairy to do it whilst following and as you say over that 7 minutes the cop would have to do 140k all the way to catch up which would not be easy in traffic.

Maybe one of our uniformed KBers can enlighten us....