Indicating at roundabouts

[merv]

Be tolerant Mr Poos............they only have 8 posts.............

Yeah you been having a bad day at the office or something Poos?

[mdooher]

I couldn't find anything in the road code. I know it's illegal to drive with just your park lights on, but wasn't aware of any laws about fog lights.

This is from land transport road user rule 2004

8.4 Use of optional lights

(1) A driver may use a fog lamp only in conditions of severely
reduced visibility, including fog or snow, but not under clear
atmospheric conditions even during the hours of darkness.

you can also find it in LTSA fact sheet 73 This information was publicised at the same time as the roundabout indicating rule but somehow no one read it.

[Grahameeboy]

The whole problem is that a Law had to be introduced to explain a basic for roundabouts.........

[merv]

Yep and how many dweebs drive along all the time with their damn low level "fog" (they call them "driving") lights on glaring in your face?

[Rosie]

Ta. and 10 characters.

[more_fasterer]

Yep and how many dweebs drive along all the time with their damn low level "fog" (they call them "driving") lights on glaring in your face?

Fewer dweebs than those that drive around with one broken headlight, about the same as the ones that have (usually one) headlight so badly adjusted that it's pointing directly at your face, and more than the number of dweebs driving round with either no lights or park lights on at night.


Fuck this country needs some driver edumacation.

[Coldrider]

What is worse (IMHO) at roundabouts is the tossers who change lanes within the roundabout....you know, start off in the outside lane, switch to the inside , then back to the outside again, all because it is too much hard work to actually drive around the thing, much easier to straighten it out! (Use an indicator - nah, don't be stupid!)

In the big centres there are roundabouts with 3 lanes, you have to change lanes to get to the outside lane to exit. The idea is that, yes, you do indicate and go round the roundabout as many times required as required to acheive the aim.
The biggest problem with roundabouts is most people do not know how to use them, and the policing of them doesn't help either.
Traffic should slow down to 15 to 20KPH and cars should be able to enter in any availabe space and exit at will. The car spaces should mesh like to cogs.
But in NZ, oh no, only 2 cars are allowed on the roundabout, we may as well be waiting at a red light, decision made for us.

[Goblin]

The one that really gets me is when people drop a oil right through a roundabout and just leave it there for a motorcyclist to fall over on.
Then there's the overcautious paranoid driver who will STOP at a roundabout when there's nothing coming!!

[Max Preload]

Then there's the overcautious paranoid driver who will STOP at a roundabout when there's nothing coming!!

Or all but stop in case another vehicle decloaks on the roundabout...

[mazz1972]

Hi guys, just need to vent a frustration..

People who indicate right when heading straight through a roundabout are getting on my wick.

Probably a year or two ago the law changed making it compulsary to indicate when coming off a roundabout, eg. turning right you indicate right going round the island and then when approaching your exit you indicate left. A good and simple rule to help traffic flow, but somehow a lot of people seem to have interpreted this to mean you must also indicate right when you are going straight through. Not the case, if you are going straight through you only need to indicate left when coming off the roundabout (right?!). The result is you end up waiting for somebody indicating right only to find they're going straight.

Anybody else sick of this happening? Its driving me freeking nuts!

I agree BUT beg to differ about the indicating rules at roundabouts.

Hubby and I sat our restricted licence tests at the start of this year, we were both pulled up for NOT indicating when going STRAIGHT THROUGH a roundabout. (Although we still passed the test).

We were told to indicate right until we got halfway through the roundabout, then indicate left. This is at the small roundabout in Paraparaumu at the intersection of Kapiti/Rimu Roads. Have attached a wee map - the pink circle is the roundabout and the pink arrow is the direction we went through.

So annoying as it is, going on what the testing chap told us, all these annoying people are actually indicating correctly, and if you don't indicate, you are in the wrong.

In a roundabout as small as the one I'm referring to, it only takes about 3 seconds from woe to go if you are going straight through so impossible to apply the 3 second rule unless you go through dead slow.

Perhaps one of the law enforcers on here could put us all straight on exactly what is correct?

[Coldrider]

I agree BUT beg to differ about the indicating rules at roundabouts.

Hubby and I sat our restricted licence tests at the start of this year, we were both pulled up for NOT indicating when going STRAIGHT THROUGH a roundabout. (Although we still passed the test).

We were told to indicate right until we got halfway through the roundabout, then indicate left. This is at the small roundabout in Paraparaumu at the intersection of Kapiti/Rimu Roads. Have attached a wee map - the pink circle is the roundabout and the pink arrow is the direction we went through.

So annoying as it is, going on what the testing chap told us, all these annoying people are actually indicating correctly, and if you don't indicate, you are in the wrong.

In a roundabout as small as the one I'm referring to, it only takes about 3 seconds from woe to go if you are going straight through so impossible to apply the 3 second rule unless you go through dead slow.

Perhaps one of the law enforcers on here could put us all straight on exactly what is correct?

I said in a previous post the policing on roundabouts is not that good, a good source of revenus collecting though.

My understanding is that if you go straight through a RAB you indicate left on exit only, if you are turning right you indicate right and indicate left on exiting.
LTSA 3 second rule is out the window by their admission on this. However you need to indicate left as soon as you are blocking the entrance lane before exit.

[swbarnett]

we were both pulled up for NOT indicating when going STRAIGHT THROUGH a roundabout.

From the NZ Road Code Web site (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roa...undabouts.html):

If you are going 'straight' through a roundabout:

* don't signal as you come up to the roundabout
* signal left as you pass the exit before the one you wish to take. At some small roundabouts it may not be possible to give three seconds warning, but it is courteous to give as much indication as you can.

[Coldrider]

My understanding is that if you go straight through a RAB you indicate left on exit only, if you are turning right you indicate right and indicate left on exiting.
LTSA 3 second rule is out the window by their admission on this. However you need to indicate left as soon as you are blocking the entrance lane before exit.

Just checked the 2007 Road Code & this is correct.

You signal right if you intend to travel more than halfway round the RAB.
3 sec rule, courteous to give a smuch indication as you can.
Lane crossing also allowed for.

Mazz1972, your instructor/tester wasn't one that was on Close Up & you hadn't paid the right amount of cuurency up front.

[Jantar]

I agree BUT beg to differ about the indicating rules at roundabouts.

Hubby and I sat our restricted licence tests at the start of this year, we were both pulled up for NOT indicating when going STRAIGHT THROUGH a roundabout. (Although we still passed the test).

We were told to indicate right until we got halfway through the roundabout, then indicate left.

The testing guy was wrong, you and your hubby were both right.

Before entering a Roundabout, indicate left if you will be taking the first available exit. Indicate right if you will be taking the rightmost exit. Do Not indicate if going straight ahead.

On exiting a roundabout, indicate left for 3 seconds as soon as you have passed the exit that imediately preceeds the one you intend taking.

Do not indicate within the roundabout unless it is a multilane one and you are changing lanes, or you are indicating left because you are taking the next exit.

Simple in theory, not always so in practice. That "indicate for 3 seconds" means that on some smaller roundabouts you should technally stop within the roundabout, otherwise you may only be indicating for half a second.

[mazz1972]

The testing guy was wrong, you and your hubby were both right.

Before entering a Roundabout, indicate left if you will be taking the first available exit. Indicate right if you will be taking the rightmost exit. Do Not indicate if going straight ahead.

On exiting a roundabout, indicate left for 3 seconds as soon as you have passed the exit that imediately preceeds the one you intend taking.

Do not indicate within the roundabout unless it is a multilane one and you are changing lanes, or you are indicating left because you are taking the next exit.

Simple in theory, not always so in practice. That "indicate for 3 seconds" means that on some smaller roundabouts you should technally stop within the roundabout, otherwise you may only be indicating for half a second.

Thanks everyone for clarifying! I just looked up the Land Transport website (why didn't I do that before??!!) and it's made very clear there.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roa...ew-road-rules/ - different page to the one referred to in a previous post.

I'm stumped as to why the tester told us otherwise....will print off a copy of that and give it to hubby in case he gets the same tester when he sits his full licence on Friday!