I'm stumped as to why the tester told us otherwise....will print off a copy of that and give it to hubby in case he gets the same tester when he sits his full licence on Friday!
Isn't that just proof of how much of a fuck up the LTSA made of educating joe public of this law. Even the testers don't know what they are doing. He's probably been wrongly advising 10 people a day for god knows how long! Get his name report him to his boss, the twit. Imagine having to take the road code to a tester to prove your case. Friggin crazy!!!!
When I'm in my cage I always indicate properly as discribed above. When I'm riding I mostly don't bother as I'm usually only there for a second and usually wizzing into gaps between cars already on the roundabout. I bet 9 outa 10 cars wouldn't even see a bike indicater thats on for 1-2 seconds/flashes. Unless I'm going right and have to cross the entering traffic on the other side then I stick it on well before entry.
On a Motorcycle you're penetrating distance, right along with the machine!! In a car you're just a spectator, the windshields like a TV!!
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Been caught out in the cage before - car in front indicates right but I'm going straight. As they pass I position myself to take the straight ahead and BAM they change direction and try to ram me from my right and I'm on the Horn showing them my middle finger.
They have this dumbarse look as if to say "But but I'm supposed to indicate right to go straight ahead." Happens too often.
I'm stumped as to why the tester told us otherwise....will print off a copy of that and give it to hubby in case he gets the same tester when he sits his full licence on Friday!
You're right, it is clearer there than the road code. Just a pity it's also a stupid rule.
With that rule, if you're heading for the second exit, but it's still less than half way round, you're indicating left as you approach (and then pass) the first exit - so someone waiting to enter at that street will assume you're turning off there, and that they're clear to go.
I heard this actually happened at Hutt Park with a fire engine and a truck. Not good, especially since the fire engine was already in a hurry ...
So what I do (which I now see is technically wrong) is:
* if I'm heading for the first exit, and that's less than half, indicate left all the way through.
* if I'm heading for a subsequent exit, and it's less than or equal to half, don't indicate at the start, but indicate as I pass the exit before the one I want.
* if I'm heading for the first exit, and it's straight ahead, don't indicate as I approach, but indicate left as soon as I enter.
* if I'm heading for any exit beyond half, and there are exits before that, indicate right as I enter, then left as I pass the exit before the one I want.
* if I'm heading for the first exit, and it's more than half ... I'm not sure. Probably indicate right before I enter, then flick to left as I enter (I'm passing the previous exit at that point, right?)
Is that all the possible cases?
Of course then there's always nasty ones like the one in Seaview that has an intersection immediately after the roundabout, so if I come out of the roundabout indicating left, I look like I'm turning left as well ... I guess the rules can't fit every case, and you just have to watch what people are actually doing ...
Been caught out in the cage before - car in front indicates right but I'm going straight. As they pass I position myself to take the straight ahead and BAM they change direction and try to ram me from my right and I'm on the Horn showing them my middle finger.
They have this dumbarse look as if to say "But but I'm supposed to indicate right to go straight ahead." Happens too often.
Tits.
Yeah. There are fuckwits out there that despite being told you don't indicate right entering a roundabout when you're going straight ahead, continue to do it anyway because the "think it's better otherwise the other cars might think I've just forgotten to indicate" which causes many a near miss on multilane roundabouts.
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
With that rule, if you're heading for the second exit, but it's still less than half way round, you're indicating left as you approach (and then pass) the first exit - so someone waiting to enter at that street will assume you're turning off there, and that they're clear to go.
No - that's not right. You do not indicate left unless you've passed the last exit you're NOT taking. That is to say, you never indicate left and not take the next exit.
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
The testing guy was wrong, you and your hubby were both right.
Before entering a Roundabout, indicate left if you will be taking the first available exit. Indicate right if you will be taking the rightmost exit. Do Not indicate if going straight ahead.
On exiting a roundabout, indicate left for 3 seconds as soon as you have passed the exit that imediately preceeds the one you intend taking.
Do not indicate within the roundabout unless it is a multilane one and you are changing lanes, or you are indicating left because you are taking the next exit.
Simple in theory, not always so in practice. That "indicate for 3 seconds" means that on some smaller roundabouts you should technally stop within the roundabout, otherwise you may only be indicating for half a second.
All of which explains why I have almost had a coming-together more than once with a vehicle entering a roundabout with their left-hand indicator going but with no intention of turning left.
I was cursing them but they were right all along!!!
I need to do a "My Name Is Earl" and seek them all out and offer penance!!!
Stupid law!
I only indicate if I'm turning, that way no-one has to guess what I really mean.
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No - that's not right. You do not indicate left unless you've passed the last exit you're NOT taking. That is to say, you never indicate left and not take the next exit.
Actually, from a previously mentioned web page "signal a left turn before entering". Damn stupid! I wish the law did agree with you.
Originally Posted by Mekk
I'd prefer they indicate right and go straight than not indicate and go right.
That's a problem on multi-lane roundabouts. Look at the attached pic. The car pictured is indicating right (black line) but actually going straight through (red line) . The car coming from the left (blue line) going straight through can quite legitimately proceed under law on the strength of the indicator. I've done this myself and just been damn lucky that the car's indicator was accurate.
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That's a problem on multi-lane roundabouts. Look at the attached pic. The car pictured is indicating right (black line) but actually going straight through (red line) . The car coming from the left (blue line) going straight through can quite legitimately proceed under law on the strength of the indicator. I've done this myself and just been damn lucky that the car's indicator was accurate.
You are quite correct SWbarnet and the most common one of all is for the car entering (black line) to flick its indicator quickly to the left about where the red line starts. And that is also very dangerous for the blue line car. That is why everyone simply waits just like the old days when you didn't indicate when going straight through. Nothing much has changed except a lot of confusion and risk. And its all down to a piss poor effort from the LTSA to educate everyone. They should get their shit together or change it back to the old way where you gave way to everyone that had entered the roundabout.
Another piss poor beaurocratic cock up that the cops haven't got the time to deal with, but have to sort the prangs out when they happen.
On a Motorcycle you're penetrating distance, right along with the machine!! In a car you're just a spectator, the windshields like a TV!!
'Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out! Shouting, ' Holy sh!t... What a Ride!! '
...like the old days when you didn't indicate when going straight through.
I take issue with that. I was taught by a driving instructor, through school, in '87 and we were taught to indicate in the manner as the current regulations stand now. And I don't believe this is a *new* regulation - I believe it's been simply worded like that to allow motorists who simply never knew about it to begin to comply while saving face.
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
I take issue with that. I was taught by a driving instructor, through school, in '87 and we were taught to indicate in the manner as the current regulations stand now. And I don't believe this is a *new* regulation - I believe it's been simply worded like that to allow motorists who simply never knew about it to begin to comply while saving face.
The previous law allowed for two different types of roundabout. Some had a lane that was marked right through when going straight ahead. With this type you didn’t need to indicate at all if going straight through. The problem was hardly anyone knew the difference. Even if you knew the different laws you couldn’t tell what kind of roundabout it was till after you had been through it at least once.
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And its all down to a piss poor effort from the LTSA to educate everyone.
I think everyone knew there was some sort of change to the law... If a person can't be assed or is incapable of finding out for themselves what the new law is then quite frankly that person should not have the privilege of having a driving licence.
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Originally Posted by mazz1972
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