New biofuel petrol

[fergie]

just heard the govt is planning on changing the composition of petrol to keep the greenies happy. i think they are going to increase the amount of ethanol( i could be wrong here) up to 10%

I wonder how this will affect our engines? hell i've only just come to grips with putting 96 in my bike for the winter!

cheers

ferg

[bungbung]

Ferg,

Using 96 for Winter, is that for easier starting?
I am sure I saw a thread about 91 octane for that same problem.

[bluninja]

With all that extra ethanol, will bikes be able to hold their line through corners?

TTFN

[fergie]

yea bung, i was tied up with previous threads re octane rating, my bike was hard of starting when running 91 so on the advice of this forum changed to 96 and that was the end of my problems.

as for the ethanol subject, it was an item on the news last night and i was wondering how or if it would affect m/c engines, the report said that late model cars would be ok ,but not sure if older vehicles will be ok.

ferg

[marty]

i was running my gixxer 400 on 91 but it was just running rough, stalling at lights etc etc. i switched to 96 and haven't had any trouble since - it's actually cheaper to run. there are some excellent web pages on ethanol mixing with petrol - i tried tolulene - 1 litre of in 10 of petrol (it's a UK thing) bike runs like it's on rocket fuel! (true octane of about 105) i'm picking ethanol will do the same, as it has a true octane rating of around 130. have a look here.....

http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/

or here....

http://www.environmentalchoice.ca/co...roup=18&cat=36

the second site talks about mixing petrol and ethanol. just search the net - there is heaps of quality research going on out there.

as long as it means we can still drink jack daniels instead of sticking it in our bikes........

[NZred]

YES,.. bungbung.. apparently your Fire Storm should be on 96' .. the Honda agents say.

but it is relatively low compression ..  .. mine is on 91'.. and not had any worries.. SO FAR ..

[NZred]

I think the USA fuel is ethanol based,.. and if so.. gives a nice clean ex-pipe.

I think that it has to be better than this kero mix oily rubbish that we have now.

[What?]

Originally posted by marty
i tried tolulene - 1 litre of in 10 of petrol (it's a UK thing) bike runs like it's on rocket fuel! (true octane of about 105) i'm picking ethanol will do the same, as it has a true octane rating of around 130. ........

When unleaded 96 happened here there was outcry about its poor quality, and the fact that huge levels of toluene had been used to boost the octane rating (RON only). This has since been reduced as toluene is very toxic stuff; known carcinogen etc etc. Be aware that if you are adding it to your fuel you are exposing yourself (and others) to a serious health risk.

And there endeth todays pontification

[Lou Girardin]

It sounds like the ethanol blend will be an extra option over regular and 96. They hate it in the US. It has a lower energy content than normal fuel, so you get less power and higher consumption.
Lou

[What?]

Yeah - think about speedway bikes. They burn alcohol and run HUGE comperession ratios to do it..

[wkid_one]

is this 'Gasahol' - as if it is - most bike manuals have warnings about this stuff!!
There are two types of Gasahol - gasonline containing ethanol and that containing methanol.  Gashol containing ethanol can be used IF the content does not exceed 10%.  Methanol based is not recommended.

From Yam and Honda's manuals

So you should be okay - performance wise??

 

 

[Defiant]

Hey guys....Im new to the site....but i have just returned to NZ after an 8year stay in Oz......just bought my firestorm back with me.....I ahve been running it on the envro-fuel over there and thats the same mix as that the gov is bringing into effect here.....the bike LOVES it runs like a rocket and has heaps more response.....just make sure you dont have crap fuel lines it does have a tendancy to eat thru the cheep stuff if its old.....cheers

[0arbreaka]

dead thread mate

[BMW]

The BMW runs better on 96 even though it has been re programmed to run NZ fuel. I know this as it was back firing alot till they re flashed the chip.

I wonder if they need to do it again?!

[merv]

Old habits die hard I see you are all still calling it 96 when the pumps now say 95.

Have only tried the E10 in Aus with a rental car (Toyota Aurion) coz it was cheaper, the car had a sticker on it saying it was OK so I used it and noticed no difference.