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**DEATH_INC.** · 5th October 2004, 20:47

Just digressing a bit here,I've been pinged heaps on the motorway north between the bridge and albany,and there's often a snake with a gun just before the mt welly offramp heading south.I've also been done a couple of times around wellsford (16) as have a couple of other mates.

**JohnBoy** · 5th October 2004, 21:12

dont have much respect for the current system of "Speed Kills"
its clear that it ant working (well only for the gov's bank balance)
i lost my licence in a period of just under 2 years for:
120k in 100, 124k in 100, dobed in by joe public for overtaking on double yellows (as in not caught by pigs!) and finally 62k in a fifty (the bugger was waiting at a bottom of a hill parked in a driveway with a mufty car!)
this stupid system cost me 3 months off the bike, a pay rise at work, loss of insurance and now i have to pay 2x what i paid when i owned a Ducati!!
when i lived in welly the company i worked for was contracted to work at the LTSA headquarters. i tell you what, these jokers spend more time worrying what colour their walls in thier offices are to care about us! we must of repainted that whole place atleast twice while i was there!

**Yokai** · 6th October 2004, 07:32

Originally Posted by igor

nah I'm not an Eliot type of guy. I'd rather prefer a Stefan type of guy.

You park on Stefan? Doesn't he get annoyed with that?

I noticed yesterday that the AG100I thought might have been you wasn't an AG... sorry...

Yokai -

**spudchucka** · 6th October 2004, 07:46

Originally Posted by JohnBoy

this stupid system cost me 3 months off the bike, a pay rise at work, loss of insurance and now i have to pay 2x what i paid when i owned a Ducati!!

Take some ownership of your own actions, don't blame the system because you screwed up.

**scumdog** · 6th October 2004, 07:55

Originally Posted by JohnBoy

dont have much respect for the current system of "Speed Kills"
its clear that it ant working (well only for the gov's bank balance)
i lost my licence in a period of just under 2 years for:
120k in 100, 124k in 100, dobed in by joe public for overtaking on double yellows (as in not caught by pigs!) and finally 62k in a fifty (the bugger was waiting at a bottom of a hill parked in a driveway with a mufty car!)
this stupid system cost me 3 months off the bike, a pay rise at work, loss of insurance and now i have to pay 2x what i paid when i owned a Ducati!!
when i lived in welly the company i worked for was contracted to work at the LTSA headquarters. i tell you what, these jokers spend more time worrying what colour their walls in thier offices are to care about us! we must of repainted that whole place atleast twice while i was there!

Coulda been worse, you might have decided to break another law that says you must drive/ride on the left side of the road

**Stevo** · 6th October 2004, 14:55

I got caught doing 78 down Deans Ave in Chch at 230 in the morning in Jan this year. Admittedly I thought it was a 60 kph road but knew I had effed up. The very youngish, attractive looking female cop who was passenger asked wot exactly I had been doing since it was 230 am and I said I hadn't been drinking and she proved me right. Though she just about wet herself laughing

when I told her (a bit too honestly perhaps) that I had been in town shagging.

But she didn't let me off though said she prob would have I wasn't exceeding the limit quite so much. Cos I think at least she could see the funny side of it, (more than some cops can seem to) and cos there was no traffic anywhere to be seen pretty much.

I got the effing ticket.

So off I go with my tail between my legs, but otherwise satisfied with a good night.

MD · 6th October 2004, 15:48

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Take some ownership of your own actions, don't blame the system because you screwed up.

I know this is old ground but seriously Spud and Scumdog, can you hold your hand on your heart and say Johnboy's accumulative punishment fitted the heineous acts of minor speed infringements. We're not talking about the fine itself, that's a fair cop. I think JB's point is he accepted the fines, as most of us do, its the flow on effects of demerits that is double punishment i.e loss of income, job at risk, insurance. This I find hard to accept as fair when some arsehole can rape, murder and steal, do some time (ever decreasing lengths at that) and get $100k compensation on the way through. Is it me or is something out of balance here? Minor infringement with no intention to do harm vs premeditated criminal acts intended to cause harm.

**scumdog** · 6th October 2004, 16:33

Originally Posted by Mark Dunn

I know this is old ground but seriously Spud and Scumdog, can you hold your hand on your heart and say Johnboy's accumulative punishment fitted the heineous acts of minor speed infringements. We're not talking about the fine itself, that's a fair cop. I think JB's point is he accepted the fines, as most of us do, its the flow on effects of demerits that is double punishment i.e loss of income, job at risk, insurance. This I find hard to accept as fair when some arsehole can rape, murder and steal, do some time (ever decreasing lengths at that) and get $100k compensation on the way through. Is it me or is something out of balance here? Minor infringement with no intention to do harm vs premeditated criminal acts intended to cause harm.

I hear where you're coming from MD, and to make it worse it is the decent people who DO pay their fines, however what in your opinion would be the 'correct' way to handle speeding? ignore anybody who exceeds the limit by less than 25kmh?, cut the fines in half? or .....?
Something IS out of balance but how to put it right? Judges are ex-lawyers and don't see crims the way I do (in most cases) and the punishments reflect that.
The only thing I can say is that most tickets are 'preventible' events if the rider/driver has their wits about them but yeah, there is an imbalance there.

**spudchucka** · 6th October 2004, 16:43

Yes the justice system has many faults and the fact that you can $400 instant fine for now WOF and rego but burglars get a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket is absolutely f**ked.

But blaming the system for your woes when you have clearly screwed up and been caught is also wrong. There is far too many people trying to blame someone else for their own problems in this country. New Zealand needs an attitude transplant.

**The Pastor** · 6th October 2004, 16:56

One more ticket and I loose my licence (from car incidents) Yeah All my tickets have been on the motorway tho. I should learn faster :S

MD · 6th October 2004, 17:07

Cheers Guys. As soon as I read my post I thought "what's this crap I'm on about. My posts are getting too serious I need to lighten up" Time to scroll through some of Scumdog's posts for some good old fashioned laughs. You ever tried stand up comedy SD. Now where's that ripper about your bedroom accident. That had me in stitches.
Now I'm off to find some consultants to dream up a fair justice system for our perfect world. Keep up the good fight- just do it under 100 kph OK

**igor** · 6th October 2004, 18:24

have ya seen the little cutie working for the Highway Xtortion in the Waikato.

ya no if ya stopped by her

the peircing blue eyes go right through ya

man they be the bluest eyes about i seen

**merv** · 6th October 2004, 19:00

Originally Posted by scumdog

I hear where you're coming from MD, and to make it worse it is the decent people who DO pay their fines, however what in your opinion would be the 'correct' way to handle speeding? ignore anybody who exceeds the limit by less than 25kmh?, cut the fines in half? or .....?
Something IS out of balance but how to put it right? Judges are ex-lawyers and don't see crims the way I do (in most cases) and the punishments reflect that.
The only thing I can say is that most tickets are 'preventible' events if the rider/driver has their wits about them but yeah, there is an imbalance there.

The whole speeding thing and being ticketed needs an overhaul in my opinion. At the end of the day if someone is ticketed at 2.30am like Stevo was, what's the safety lesson in that? None as far as I can see!!

Safety in transport is all about trying to minimise hazards but still having vehicles move, which by its very nature has a risk associated with it. We can't be regulated to the point of paralysis, but the do-gooders will cause that if we are not careful and we will all have to go by public transport.

Its all about judgement to suit the conditions - what is safe at 2.30am on an empty road may not be at 5.15pm when its crowded with push bikes and other such things. I would love to see there be no rules about speeding infringements per se but use of a modified version of the dangerous driving rules whereby the cops use discretion to ping you if what you were doing was dangerous at the time. I know, I know it would be hard to define, but that's the sort of direction it should go in. I think it was you SD that mentioned wipe outs on wet corners at well under the speed limit. That is poor judgement and dangerous driving/riding on that person's part.

When I'm cruising down the road I could always point out people who are accidents (great word that) waiting to happen, but I never see the cops pinging them.

So instead of demerits, why aren't we getting merits for no insurance claims, crashes or whatever and I mean from the Govt not just our insurance company. Could be dealt with through the ACC levy and then rego should include compulsory 3rd party insurance to cover the dickheads as well.

Having had my licence for over 34 years and having never had an insurance claim for a crash caused by me or anyone else I feel insulted when some young cop stops me for doing 111km/hr or whatever and implies I was doing something dangerous. Like his judgement is way better than mine - sure son. Oh that's right he's just doing his job.

Its the reactive do-gooders that are the problem though - any problem they rush in with more, ever restrictive actions. Penalise the many for the sake of the few dickheads - that is always what happens. Someone crashes, the cries go out to lower the speed limit on that road. Why not just fine the bastard heavily that crashed and make them do community service or something. Why should all of us have to slow to 80 on a road we have never crashed on?

Our (the white guys that is) forefathers came to this land to escape the oppression of their masters in Pomgolia or wherever to start in a new land of freedom. Well bugger me but less than 200 years later the rot has set in and the freedoms have disappeared and its rules, rules, rules and taxes, taxes and taxes (or read as fines). There is no Eutopia anymore. Basically even in my lifetime I have seen such a serious decline in the acceptance of responsibility, a blame culture and therefore more rules and oppression.

I am not impressed but Govts always listen to the squeaky wheel which is usually some aggrieved person that won't accept that they or their loved ones should have accepted responsibility for their actions or at least some other dickhead should have.

How we beat it I'm buggered if I know because it is a world phenomenon that has been rife in USA for years as they have grown fat dumb and happy until the lawsuit arrives. Only the lawyers get rich from this stuff, everyone else feels the pain.