Charged with dangerous driving. What's going to happen?

**Mom** · 31st August 2007, 20:12

Originally Posted by Ixion

Whoa. Enough already.

I reckon some people around here need to be ashamed of themselves.

A young guy (who's undoubtedly a young idiot, but no more so than any of us at that age, and a biker withal) who's fallen foul of the Law, comes here to ask for some sympathy and advice.

How did that turn into a feeding frenzy of gloating, schadenfreude and ill will.

So far you'd have him consigned to gaol, the looney bin and raped (and are those who are so in favour of homosexual rape equally in favour of the heterosexual variety, I wonder) .What utter nonsense. And shameful nonsense. I know not whether to deem those putting forward this nonsense to be fools, because they believe what they say; or knaves because they do not.

Mark's an idiot, but I don't think he's a liar. And there's enough that's doubtful about the police behaviour (impounding the bike for a start : no legislative authority for that on a dangerous driving charge) for me to give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

And even if it is entirely his own folly that has brought him to this, he is still a biker and a brother. If you can't help, with support or SENSIBLE advice, then shut up. What ever became of the good old rule about not kicking a man when he's down ?

I reckon a lot of folk seem to have forgotten what the Biker Code says. Or never knew it I've attached a copy for those who need a refresher. He who runes may rede.

I cant even shorten up your quote, there is nothing i can edit to shorten it, with out taking away from what I so strongly agree with!! Mark is young, and impetuous and eager!! He has the ability to frustrate the hell out of his friends and associates. Mark is also as you so nicely stated, an idiot, he knows this as I tell him from time to time!
Thanks Ixion!

Originally Posted by barty5

this guy needs to sit back and think about how long he wants to be around. May be some anger management classes might be a good call if you get wound up that quickly.

Thank you, and I agree with your sentiment, but SM is not an angry young man, far from it. Lets just say he gets distracted from what you and I would consider normal sometimes.

Originally Posted by EJKDDORAI

Hey Mark, personally I don't know you but....

Who knows man? From this, you might learn ALOT (I mean ALOT) and become a Mentor of the Mentor lol who knows?

But what I like about you is, I think you really love motorcycling.
Remember when I asked you "What rpm were you shifting gears?"
Then you replied with a huge grin on your face like this ->

chin up, life ain't over yet. With this experience, you surely will learn alot of things, and one day who knows? You might ride for 30-40 years which coulda been 3 to 4 years.
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Mentor may be stretching it a bit, but learning most definately!

Originally Posted by katman

You have got to be fucking joking. Do you really believe that no matter how big a twat someone is, if they ride a bike we have to treat them like a brother? Like someone said earlier - jesus fucking wept!

No sweets, I think you missed the point here. The point as I see it is one of our fellow bikers (albeit a bit of a dick at times, he even boasts/posts evidence that leaves me shaking my head) got in trouble a couple of days ago. He posted on here asking for some advice, and got a hammering. I took exception to that, still do.

**RT527** · 31st August 2007, 20:21

Originally Posted by skidMark

stoppies were in a closed off carpark....

how closed off was it

Sorry but if you can gain entrance to the carpark or the general public can gan entrance whether by right or not then it is deemed a road and you can and should be charged with dangerous use...

Anyways good luck with what ever happens, as I dont know you and regard your tales as a lot of hot air and yap yap , I wont form an opinion about you solely on what you do wrong, rather I would like to form an opinion on how you deal with and move to rectify your so called headstrong antics......Im on the road 5-6 out of 7 days and put in excees of 100-120,000 Km''s in a heavy vehicle per year. There isnt a day that goes by that I dont see upward of 7 errors of judgement that could result in at least a minor accident up to at worst someone losing their Life.....

......oh and ask the Prosscecuting sgt for a copy of your statement to the officer, he has to give it to you , and submit it as evidence in court... pointing out that the other party didnt want the police invoved. but dont point fingers at people unless you can provide evidenve to back it up, deal only in your situation and mitagating factors which arose to put you in your situation.

**Mom** · 31st August 2007, 20:26

Originally Posted by katman

You have got to be fucking joking. Do you really believe that no matter how big a twat someone is, if they ride a bike we have to treat them like a brother? Like someone said earlier - jesus fucking wept!

I guess I look at this way, if we breakdown on the side of the road, I would hope that someone would stop to see if we were ok or needed help.

By the same token mate, if we see a biker on the side of the road, we will stop and ask the question, or at least slow to get the nod and ok wave. Personally dont care who the hell you are/were/was/or whether you are a dick/immature/stupid/moronic dummy, this is part of being a biker. Have never met you so have no idea how old you are but man you must be really really young, or totally perfect and have never made a dick of yourself, or made dumb decisions that come back to bite. I certainly hope that I am wrong and when you did err your friends supported you, called you a dick and you learned, and that you were not subjected to being told you were going to be arse raped etc.

**wendigo** · 31st August 2007, 20:41

God no more!!! Got to page 8 and gave up. Someone wake me up when it's over....

**inlinefour** · 31st August 2007, 20:47

Originally Posted by Mom

I guess I look at this way, if we breakdown on the side of the road, I would hope that someone would stop to see if we were ok or needed help.

By the same token mate, if we see a biker on the side of the road, we will stop and ask the question, or at least slow to get the nod and ok wave. Personally dont care who the hell you are/were/was/or whether you are a dick/immature/stupid/moronic dummy, this is part of being a biker. Have never met you so have no idea how old you are but man you must be really really young, or totally perfect and have never made a dick of yourself, or made dumb decisions that come back to bite. I certainly hope that I am wrong and when you did err your friends supported you, called you a dick and you learned, and that you were not subjected to being told you were going to be arse raped etc.

Cant speak for everyone else, but a bit of a piss take goes along way and brightens up what would have been a pretty depressing topic. The fact o the matter is that despite Mark being given good advice, he continously carrys on being a squid and riding (and driving) like a twat. To the point that he now is facing a dangerous driving charge. Now I suspect and yes I could be wrong, that if we knew the facts, we would have an unbiased opinion of whats really going on. But due to the fact that we do not and the fact that Mark has often talked a load of bollocks in the past, its hard to be able to form any opinion. However, I will leave you with this one thought. If you really think that people are wishing him to be arse raped (remember the concept of the piss take), then are you taking it all a tad too seriously?

**skidMark** · 31st August 2007, 20:50

Originally Posted by RT527

how closed off was it

Sorry but if you can gain entrance to the carpark or the general public can gan entrance whether by right or not then it is deemed a road and you can and should be charged with dangerous use...

i went in (it's a carpark for a netball courts place) with a massive bash barv across hte entrance which i asked security to close....as they wernt open anyways, i asked permission of the guard he said it was fine provided no big burnouts.

**Mom** · 31st August 2007, 20:57

Originally Posted by inlinefour

Cant speak for everyone else, but a bit of a piss take goes along way and brightens up what would have been a pretty depressing topic. The fact o the matter is that despite Mark being given good advice, he continously carrys on being a squid and riding (and driving) like a twat. To the point that he now is facing a dangerous driving charge. Now I suspect and yes I could be wrong, that if we knew the facts, we would have an unbiased opinion of whats really going on. But due to the fact that we do not and the fact that Mark has often talked a load of bollocks in the past, its hard to be able to form any opinion. However, I will leave you with this one thought. If you really think that people are wishing him to be arse raped (remember the concept of the piss take), then are you taking it all a tad too seriously?

Hey IL4 piss take is one thing, I am not innocent when it comes to that either. What gets me I guess is the comments that are not piss take, or if they are, then they sail pretty close to the line. I am relatively good at recognising the tounge in cheek comments on here, but it gets right on my tits when I see a barage of "piss take" comments being directed to someone like this thread has seen.

**Toaster** · 31st August 2007, 21:08

Originally Posted by skidMark

my cureent fines are on a time to pay arrangement.

am going to try get my bike taken out of impound tommorrow.

considering it's in my name but i do not actually own it it shouldnt matter....i have only paid a deposit to my mate.

Hey bud, shame about the charge but hey, it is your own doing!!

Dude, do you really want to be behind the eight-ball all the time fighting to pay off debts you clearly can't afford and struggling to get a full licence (or any licence for that matter once they take it off you).

They are unlikely to release the bike to you unless you rode someone elses bike without their knowledge or authorisation. In that case it could only be released to the owner.

Maybe a time for you to break the cycle, do the disqualification, sort ya fines and get on with life mate? Better than becoming disqualified indefinitely.... which will eventually happen if you keep this shit up.

First time dangerous without injury or aggravating factors should only lead to paying penants by giving the judge a discreet cuddle out the back and maybe a fine with a loss of licence for the rest of the cold months.

**Katman** · 31st August 2007, 21:13

Originally Posted by Mom

I guess I look at this way, if we breakdown on the side of the road, I would hope that someone would stop to see if we were ok or needed help.

By the same token mate, if we see a biker on the side of the road, we will stop and ask the question, or at least slow to get the nod and ok wave. Personally dont care who the hell you are/were/was/or whether you are a dick/immature/stupid/moronic dummy, this is part of being a biker. Have never met you so have no idea how old you are but man you must be really really young, or totally perfect and have never made a dick of yourself, or made dumb decisions that come back to bite. I certainly hope that I am wrong and when you did err your friends supported you, called you a dick and you learned, and that you were not subjected to being told you were going to be arse raped etc.

Pleeease! Of course I was a fuckwit as a teenager on a bike, and I had plenty of people tell me so. The thing is, once I'd heard it often enough I started thinking maybe I should do something about it. Sometimes it's good to be told "wake up to yourself, fuckwit".

**riffer** · 31st August 2007, 21:13

A lot of what Ixion says is true.

I personally don't agree with the posts that have ended up in PD but my God Mark - you have me shaking my head sometimes.

But also I remember myself at Mark's age - and I wasn't that different.

I ended up facing careless for wheelying down Oxford Terrace in Naenae and it took a lot of quick thinking to get out of that one (I did) and I didn't learn.

My ex banned me from having bikes and in hindsight it was probably for best. I would have done myself some serious damage. I am so glad I waited until my mid 30s to get back on a bike.

I hope you take your medicine Mark, get a job, save some money, and use your spare time to learn a bit. Maybe do some spannering or something, help some other bikers out with their stuff - I dunno but keep yourself busy while you're not allowed to ride - or else that bike's gonna look really tempting.

Most people do want you to learn from this. And you need to as well.

But I agree with Ixion - wishing harm on a fellow biker sucks.

**Katman** · 31st August 2007, 21:27

Originally Posted by Mom

I guess I look at this way, if we breakdown on the side of the road, I would hope that someone would stop to see if we were ok or needed help.

By the same token mate, if we see a biker on the side of the road, we will stop and ask the question, or at least slow to get the nod and ok wave. Personally dont care who the hell you are/were/was/or whether you are a dick/immature/stupid/moronic dummy, this is part of being a biker. Have never met you so have no idea how old you are but man you must be really really young, or totally perfect and have never made a dick of yourself, or made dumb decisions that come back to bite. I certainly hope that I am wrong and when you did err your friends supported you, called you a dick and you learned, and that you were not subjected to being told you were going to be arse raped etc.

Btw, a biker on the side of the road is an unknown to me and I'll therefore happily give their character the benifit of the doubt. Anyone who so publicly proclaims their stupidity doesn't qualify for the same benifit.

**HTFU** · 31st August 2007, 21:28

If you truly not trolling then..........From my experience Mark if the attending officer thinks you were in the wrong you will struggle to change this view in court. A chick on a bike went through my car window after pulling in front of me, she tried to get off the careless use charge with an argument based on the attending officers failings at following the correct procedures. Even though the cop had made a shit job of writing up the accident she was still charged.

Your best bet is to get the free legal advice available to you to help reduce your punishment. From reading your account I believe you personally have to understand you had broken the law regardless of the other drivers action. Justice would be that he is charged as well, as his actions were just as criminal (if what you say is the real account). I would push for him to be charged through your statement and maybe that of the bus driver or anyone else that may have witnessed his actions of overtaking in the right lane and everything else etc.

Your chasing him was indicative of your profile, a quick search of your utube vids and previous threads tells KB members plenty. Does this ring a bell.

"i do not make mistakes

i am GOD

well until i hit something

which hasn't happened

at high speed

....yet

lol"

Skidmark (Feb 2007)

and the recent vids posted 4 days ago on utube ....... who's the rider?

**scumdog** · 31st August 2007, 21:45

Originally Posted by 422

Jesus wept!

I concur!!

And you sorry-arsed losers that moan about 'smart-arse' cops? - well I have to deal with WAAAY more smart-arsed public, - only they ain't as smart as they think - and it costs!!

**Richard Mc F** · 31st August 2007, 22:04

MARK WAKE UP

a lot of bikers have been irresponsible, in their youth or otherwise........get you antics off the road while you are still able to...........be humble for lord only know it looks like you could be in it deep.

boring statement for the day, there are bold bikers, there are old bikers but fuck all old bold bikers.

i will stop now....but if if you need to talk pm me.......no holier than thou perspectives despite my pisstake previous post....it wuz the vino really.....true