Attitude readjustment

**justsomeguy** · 5th September 2007, 08:58

Originally Posted by Jim2

Common interests do make it easier to make friends with someone, often lifelong friends but motorcycling isn't a band of brotherhood.

Yeah, what the wise man says.

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Being the Skidmark before the Skidmark, or is Skidmark the new JSG...naa he's not that stupid....

...anyway what creates Skidmarks is an immense amount of energy coupled with a stupid or even reckless lack of discretion as opposed to this "me against the world" psyche you refer to.

Also as most of you know there are probably atleast a hundred or more Skidmarks out in our lovely little country, except they aren't as public with their stories and thus get away with it. All guys with nothing better to do not fellas who feel the world wronged them.

It is always me against the world mate, even on a peaceful place like a race track there's so much to think about that is against you....

You want a hug or something? Dover or Boomer will gladly oblige

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Frosty you donut you used a double negative, meaning you agree with Katanaboy

**Crisis management** · 5th September 2007, 08:59

Originally Posted by ceebie13

Fifteen all!!

Wasn't that 15 men on a dead mans chest?

**discotex** · 5th September 2007, 09:00

I'm glad this has been taken to it's own thread as it should have been in the first place. A biker down thread isn't really the time or place to start debating this.

Anyone who does extreme sport or anything else that is dangerous will tell you they have exactly the same comradere going on. It's human nature to band together over common interests - especially ones that increase your risk of death and injury.

No-one every said that just because someone's a biker they're automatically a wonderful person. Just that anyone being seriously hurt or killed is sobering. Fuckwit or not they're likely to have people who care about them who are suffering and they're likely not fuckwits. Taking a moment to reflect that it could be you or your friends involved is what the biker down threads are about for me.

Biker comradere doesn't create or encourage loser behaviour. It probably solves more problems than it creates. How much peer pressure are you seeing on skidMark right now?

Me thinks you have a bee (or a hornet maybe) in your bonnet over nothing Katman

**ceebie13** · 5th September 2007, 09:03

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Feeling concern for the health and welfare of fellow bikers who have been injured or worse is understandable. There for the grace of god go I, and all that sort of thing.

But something that is a bit irksome and tiresome are the "grieving" threads that we seem to delight in on KB, where the only comments that some folk think are allowable are the "Omigod, how terrible! Hope you're feeling better soon," or "RIP, fellow biker", kind of thing.

And, in typical lynch-mob style, things get very ugly if somebody posts something that stands out from the herd, whether it is "inappropriate" or not.

A question that needs to be asked is whether fair comment is allowed on KB, or are we all about conforming to norms that are implied rather than stated?

I think that Katman has raised an issue that's worthy of reasoned, intelligent discussion. Members who aren't up to that task should focus their vitriol elsewhere.

I hate it when you are so eloquent, Brett.

BTW, shouldn't "god" have a cap G?

**Blackbird** · 5th September 2007, 09:05

Katman has a valid point but he makes the mistake of assuming that being a biker means some sort of obligatory bond with other bikers. Granted that it means that we all have a similar interest and that’s a good starter, but it in no way means that just because you ride a bike, you’re all going to get on with each other just fine. Twattish behaviour on KB is evidence of that. Why is it that the glass is more often half-empty than half full on KB posts?

Having said that, I’ll ALWAYS stop if I see a biker in trouble and that ranges from scooter to patched gang member.

I’m not sure why the debate is even necessary, maybe it’s because there’s been too little riding over the last few months. FFS get out there and ride and stop whinging, life is far too precious to raise people’s hackles unnecessarily – leave that to the beauracracy!

**devnull** · 5th September 2007, 09:07

Originally Posted by Jim2

Common interests do make it easier to make friends with someone, often lifelong friends but motorcycling isn't a band of brotherhood.

The same could be said of damned near anything...

Though from personal experience, there were very strong bonds of "brotherhood" in the Army, and also skydiving. There were also assholes, but you'd expect to find those in any passtime or occupation.

**avgas** · 5th September 2007, 09:08

What a bunch of overblown fuckn know it alls.
You are not god.
You are not the greatest thing since sliced cheese.
Get over yourselves.
If you need a hand, i am willing to help you. All i expect is that someday you help some else.
If your a cock, too big for this kind of wanker. F off.
The last thing a community needs is people who think they are better than everyone else.
I've met too many people like that in the car community.
Shove that in your pipes and smoke it.

**justsomeguy** · 5th September 2007, 09:09

Originally Posted by delusionz

Give Skidmark a chance, he has expressed interest in trying to change his ways, Do you want him to just forget about it? Nobody is going to change their ways when the people they look up to are seen to be attacking them...

You know what mate -- considering the big picture and the reality of the situation. You are 100% correct.

Hope you guys keep an eye on Mark, if only to protect him from himself.

**avgas** · 5th September 2007, 09:11

Originally Posted by Blackbird

being a biker means some sort of obligatory bond with other bikers.

Funny that, but i do have that bond. Its called respect.
You do you not wave to other bikes, help some poor bastard in a bike crash etc
I do not have to like you - but there will be a bond there if you are a true motorcyclist, not a convenience one.

**justsomeguy** · 5th September 2007, 09:12

Originally Posted by avgas

What a bunch of overblown fuckn know it alls.
You are not god.
You are not the greatest thing since sliced cheese.
Get over yourselves.
If you need a hand, i am willing to help you. All i expect is that someday you help some else.
If your a cock, too big for this kind of wanker. F off.
The last thing a community needs is people who think they are better than everyone else.

You got a pwoblem wiv me bitch??

Keep your shitty hand to yourself, I don't need it, I'm a far better wanker than you will ever be.... AND unlike you I'm straight, so don't expect me to give anyone a hand ya homo

I am better than evewyone yaaa yaaa ..... and I know ewevything, EWEVYTHING I IS TELLING YOUS... EWEVYTHING

**Albino** · 5th September 2007, 09:15

Originally Posted by Hitcher

And, in typical lynch-mob style, things get very ugly if somebody posts something that stands out from the herd, whether it is "inappropriate" or not.

A question that needs to be asked is whether fair comment is allowed on KB, or are we all about conforming to norms that are implied rather than stated?

I think that Katman has raised an issue that's worthy of reasoned, intelligent discussion. Members who aren't up to that task should focus their vitriol elsewhere.

Some people do care when they hear of a fellow biker dying or being seriously hurt. So what? Let people discuss it and pay their respects in whatever way they feel necessary. To interrupt what is for many an emotional discussion with what is effectively saying "who cares" is confrontational (and in the eyes of many disrespectful) and is simply asking to be attacked.

Perhaps emotionally charged threads aren't the place for reasoned and intelligent discussion. The idea that some one would try to attempt a reasoned and intelligent discussion in such a thread seems a little paradoxical to me.

**avgas** · 5th September 2007, 09:19

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

You got a pwoblem wiv me bitch??

Keep your shitty hand to yourself, I don't need it, I'm a far better wanker than you will ever be.... AND unlike you I'm straight, so don't expect me to give anyone a hand ya homo

I am better than evewyone yaaa yaaa ..... and I know ewevything, EWEVYTHING I IS TELLING YOUS... EWEVYTHING

Are you sure princess?

**Katman** · 5th September 2007, 09:21

Originally Posted by Blackbird

Katman has a valid point but he makes the mistake of assuming that being a biker means some sort of obligatory bond with other bikers. Granted that it means that we all have a similar interest and that’s a good starter, but it in no way means that just because you ride a bike, you’re all going to get on with each other just fine.

I think that was entirely the point I was trying to make.

I have no problem with the "it's me against the world" approach to riding, my original post clearly states "us against the world". It's the whole "I don't know you from Adam but I'll stick by you because you're a biker" concept that I have a problem with. Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?

**justsomeguy** · 5th September 2007, 09:24

Originally Posted by katman

I think that was entirely the point I was trying to make.

I have no problem with the "it's me against the world" approach to riding, my original post clearly states "us against the world". It's the whole "I don't know you from Adam but I'll stick by you because you're a biker" concept that I have a problem with. Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?

Ah, I stand corrected. That crap is only on KB. Otherwise in da weal world people act differently.

I don't give a flying fig what happens to a Hells Angel or Mongrel Mob fella on a bike.