Kill the Bill

[The Stranger:Me]

There's a lot I could have commented on but this caught my eye. You are correct in that NZ does not have a written Constitution as has the United States and incedently requires a vote of two thirds majoity to change it. That's one of the pitfalls of the US political system is that it can not evolve but that's another issue.

NZ has what is known as an unwriten constitution embodied in 'case' law. No legislation becomes law unless sihned by the Govenor General who as you know is the Queens representitive to 'safe guard' democracy. To date there has been no conceerns from this quarter that democracy or freedom of speech is under threat.

The Justice or Judiciary is independent from Parliment. I' m sure there will come a time when this law will be tested in the Courts.

I have no idea who David Farr is but he seem intent on finding out if the Legislation is indeed unworkable and a threat to our democrate system.

I have no doubt that you have little faith in the comments in the Hollow Men and to date there has be no serious rebuff from any quarter as far as that book goes but to me a more seriouse threat to our democratic system comes from offshore money and the influences of think tanks in the likes of the Maxim Institute who are more interested in the rapin of NZ for benifit of off shore investors.

The 'right' has never come to terms with MMP and these sorts of issues that get promoted is sysematic of this. Personaly I find it encourgaing that New Zealanders are becoming more involved in politics it's just a pity that not many seem to know how our system works. i woul dhave thought the the NZ Law Society might have lead the way but on second thoughts the Legal Profession has a history of looking after its own so in that respect any one who has a smattering of history as far this proffession goes would not be surprised with their opposition.


Skyryder

IIIryder, FFS, put the bottle down and move slowly away from the computer!
It makes your dribble even harder to comprehend when you are pissed.

[Storm]

The MPs have

• Ignored the Law Society’s advice that the Bill should be scrapped
• Ignored the Human Rights Commission opposition to the regulated period, and their request to allow the public to submit on the amended Bill
• Ignored the NZ Institute of Charted Accountant’s advice that the Bill is unworkable
• Ignored the Electoral Commission’s advice on spending limits
• Failed to provide legislative certainty around the exemptions for MPs
• Protected anonymous donations with massive loopholes which may result in less, not more, disclosure
• Continually misrepresented key clauses of the Bill


“We hoped the parties supporting this Bill would listen to the near universal opposition from the media, from the legal profession, and from the public and do the right thing. Sadly they have chosen not to.

Where have we heard these phrases used before?
Ah yes, takes me back to the anti smacking bill. So thats twice in one year Joe Public has been told to fuck off, we will tell you whats good for you, and (but wait, theres more) you should be happy to be told it too.

If we are not having it that bad as many imports say, fuck me, the rest of the world must be in a shit state.

So much for the right of the people to have a say in their government.
Nice to see all those soldiers (of whatever colour) fought to stay free, so we could fuck ourselves over.

[Skyryder]

Where have we heard these phrases used before?
Ah yes, takes me back to the anti smacking bill. So thats twice in one year Joe Public has been told to fuck off, we will tell you whats good for you, and (but wait, theres more) you should be happy to be told it too.

If we are not having it that bad as many imports say, fuck me, the rest of the world must be in a shit state.

So much for the right of the people to have a say in their government.
Nice to see all those soldiers (of whatever colour) fought to stay free, so we could fuck ourselves over.

Nope nothing to do with Sue Bradford. Try David Farrar's blog. Finn trys to sound intelligent but allhe has done is plagurised someone elses work from the 'porn' industry and put his name to it. And you accuse me of talking dribble.



Skyryder

[Skyryder]

IIIryder, FFS, put the bottle down and move slowly away from the computer!
It makes your dribble even harder to comprehend when you are pissed.

Skyryder

[Hitcher]

The Exclusive Brethren's efforts at the last general election clearly put the shits up the Liberal-leaning Loony Left. Even though that campaign was unsuccessful. If there was any evidence that could be tabled that showed that a political party with the biggest budget was the one that successfully contested elections, this Bill may have some merit. Working classes, unionised workers and beneficiaries always vote Labour. So too do large numbers of the chattering classes. I think it's genetic, like colour-blindness. Outlawing freedom of expression will have other perverse ramifications -- for instance the Government is already setting up a Ministry of Thought Control to enforce its new legislation.

And the only response the new Act's supporters have is to attack big business and the rich. That says it all for me.

[Finn]

Nope nothing to do with Sue Bradford. Try David Farrar's blog. Finn trys to sound intelligent but allhe has done is plagurised someone elses work from the 'porn' industry and put his name to it. And you accuse me of talking dribble.



Skyryder

I didn't plagiarise it, I copied it verbatim.

You better get your life sorted quick smartly before National get in next year. They'll be no more living off the state for you buddy.

P.S. You'll be the first person I PM when they win. I'm going to rub it in your face so hard, you'll be scared for life.

[Finn]

The Free Speech Coalition is a trade association of the pornography and adult entertainment industry in the United States. Founded in 1991, it opposes the passage and enforcement of censorship and obscenity laws.

Finn is there anyone on your coalition that has connections or interests associated with this American namesake?


Skyryder

Typical lefty. The Free Speech Coalition is a NZ association formed to try and save NZ from morons like yourself. Why would you suggest it has anything to do with the porn industry, or the US for that matter? Scraping the bottom of the barrel there old chat, but I guess it's what can be expected from someone in your predicament.

Has your Crisco's hamper arrived yet or is there a problem with WINZ paying the invoice?

[oldrider]

I think this cartoon explains Helen and her cronies approach to the bill!

Large cuddly pet dog, eats anything, very fond of free thinkers!

Kinda reflects their stupid dog laws too doesn't it! Cheers John.

[Finn]

Or this one...

[Skyryder]

Typical lefty. The Free Speech Coalition is a NZ association formed to try and save NZ from morons like yourself. Why would you suggest it has anything to do with the porn industry, or the US for that matter? Scraping the bottom of the barrel there old chat, but I guess it's what can be expected from someone in your predicament.

Has your Crisco's hamper arrived yet or is there a problem with WINZ paying the invoice?

You may have copied it verbatim but once you put your forum name to the passage in question then it becomes a plagiarized document. Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember you criticizing Clarke for something similar to do with her name and some art that was auctioned for charity. Oh the ignominy of the hypocrite.
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The ‘Free Speech Coalition’ is a trade association of the ‘pornography and adult entertainment industry that was founded in 1991 in the United Sates of America. It opposes both the passage and enforcement of ‘censorship’ and ‘obscenity’ laws. I am unaware of any disassociation of the New Zealand Free Speech Coalition from the American body of the same name. If there is any can you show where this can be found.

I find it difficult to believe that New Zealand association that you quote is ‘not’ unaware of the American body or it’s aims. I cannot help but come to the conclusion that this is the reason that the Christian Right have been ‘so’ absent from the electoral campaign. They want noting to do with any organization that represents pornography or pedophilia.

To sum up: New Zealanders who may or may not be affiliated with an American pornographic organization have taken upon themselves to protect our freedom of speech. I’m rarely lost for words……….but this….............is one of the few times that I am.

As for being top of your list………………are rare honor indeed if you shall permit me to call it that, considering that the election is some twelve months away, but the same honour, is one that I can never extend to your self.……you get 30 seconds into the future………….. tops. Ahhh but that’s the cross you have to bear.

Rejection is such a bummer. Word is that 'rejection' is not unusual for you. Perhaps a new year’s resolution might be the way to go. Something about being nice………….that’s a start, whatcha think Finny.

Skyryder

[The Stranger:Me]

You may have copied it verbatim but once you put your forum name to the passage in question then it becomes a plagiarized document. Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember you criticizing Clarke for something similar to do with her name and some art that was auctioned for charity. Oh the ignominy of the hypocrite.
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For future reference the "quotation marks" are a dead giveaway.
They aren't called quotation marks for nothing.
He didn't try and pass it off as his own, unlike your beloved leader.

[The Stranger:Me]

The ‘Free Speech Coalition’ is a trade association of the ‘pornography and adult entertainment industry that was founded in 1991 in the United Sates of America. It opposes both the passage and enforcement of ‘censorship’ and ‘obscenity’ laws. I am unaware of any disassociation of the New Zealand Free Speech Coalition from the American body of the same name. If there is any can you show where this can be found.

So let me get this right, you level an unsubstantiated accusation then you are ask for proof of a non existent link?
You are as desperate as your hero Helen Klark.

[Finn]

You may have copied it verbatim but once you put your forum name to the passage in question then it becomes a plagiarized document. Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember you criticizing Clarke for something similar to do with her name and some art that was auctioned for charity. Oh the ignominy of the hypocrite.
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The ‘Free Speech Coalition’ is a trade association of the ‘pornography and adult entertainment industry that was founded in 1991 in the United Sates of America. It opposes both the passage and enforcement of ‘censorship’ and ‘obscenity’ laws. I am unaware of any disassociation of the New Zealand Free Speech Coalition from the American body of the same name. If there is any can you show where this can be found.

I find it difficult to believe that New Zealand association that you quote is ‘not’ unaware of the American body or it’s aims. I cannot help but come to the conclusion that this is the reason that the Christian Right have been ‘so’ absent from the electoral campaign. They want noting to do with any organization that represents pornography or pedophilia.

To sum up: New Zealanders who may or may not be affiliated with an American pornographic organization have taken upon themselves to protect our freedom of speech. I’m rarely lost for words……….but this….............is one of the few times that I am.

As for being top of your list………………are rare honor indeed if you shall permit me to call it that, considering that the election is some twelve months away, but the same honour, is one that I can never extend to your self.……you get 30 seconds into the future………….. tops. Ahhh but that’s the cross you have to bear.

Rejection is such a bummer. Word is that 'rejection' is not unusual for you. Perhaps a new year’s resolution might be the way to go. Something about being nice………….that’s a start, whatcha think Finny.

Skyryder

The Free Speech Coalition in NZ has NOTHING to do with the Pornographic industry you fool. However your tactic of trying to destroy any common sense initiative from sensible people or organisations by making up complete bullshit is a common Labour tactic. The lies, deceit, corruption and pitiful governing is why Labour will lose the next election.

Onto another serious matter, I normally wouldn't raise this up in a public forum, but since this site is open to vulnerable, young children, I would like to confront you with a very direct question as a result of a recent investigation. So, WITHOUT PREJUSTICE, do you, Skyryder, deny being a pedophile?

[Skyryder]

Onto another serious matter, I normally wouldn't raise this up in a public forum, but since this site is open to vulnerable, young children, I would like to confront you with a very direct question as a result of a recent investigation. So, WITHOUT PREJUSTICE, do you, Skyryder, deny being a pedophile?

I have just emailed this to a solicitor friend of mine

His initial response from our phone conversation leaves little doubt that 'both' Finn and the Kiwi Biker are in breach of defamatory laws. There is a clear association that the 'recent investigation' that Finn has quoted and the question asking Skyryder to deny any pedophile tendencies are linked. The purpose of this link is to suggest that the ‘investigation’ has been on criminal activities of pedophilia nature and can only be to defame 'my client.'


I'm not going to take this too seriously at this stage but KB is on notice. I expect Finns post to be removed and I do not expect to see Finn posting on here in the near future.

Bottom line on this mods........cover your arses




Skyryder

[The Stranger:Me]

I have just emailed this to a solicitor friend of mine

His initial response from our phone conversation leaves little doubt that 'both' Finn and the Kiwi Biker are in breach of defamatory laws. There is a clear association that the 'recent investigation' that Finn has quoted and the question asking Skyryder to deny any pedophile tendencies are linked. The purpose of this link is to suggest that the ‘investigation’ has been on criminal activities of pedophilia nature and can only be to defame 'my client.'


I'm not going to take this too seriously at this stage but KB is on notice. I expect Finns post to be removed and I do not expect to see Finn posting on here in the near future.

Bottom line on this mods........cover your arses

Skyryder

Or yet another very plausable purpose could be to succinctly highlight the absurdity of expecting someone to defend a baseless claim from which there is no evidence - the very thing you did to Finn in your post to which Finn was repying.

Although, looking at your post containing baseless accusations about Finn's association with porn and pedophilia it is hard to imagine any other purpose but to defame him.

Oh, and I am sure everyone covers their arse when you are around anyway Skyryder.