Harry Duynhoven

[Posh Tourer :P]

Seems like it would just be putting the limit nearer to the speed that people already drive at on a particular road, resulting in the fact that you'll be had up for speeding suddenly.

Good point and kinda scary...

[rodgerd]

So you dont want to try and get it changed?

Othorgonal to obeying the current laws.

[geoffm]

I agree, the 'speed' thing is a bit of a misnomer but it is easier than saying "slow down and drive to the conditions" or similar.
As I've said before, a lot of so called 'drivers' (and 'riders') out there would be out of their depth in a sideshow dodgem.

Speed killed nobody but the stopping from speed does kill quite a few, the faster the speed - the more likely such stop will kill, ergo less speed = less death.


Some of you guys on this site attribute too much intelectual ability to too many.
Yesterday went to a crash (low SPEED - no real injury) driver in ute with only rear brakes, no drivers door, outboard fuel tank on seat beside driver hooked up to engine, passengers door tied shut with string, no windscreen, bald tyres etc.
The plan went wrong when driver 'planted boot' and ute got up to a speed undesirable by the 'driver' and he hit the brakes - that's when he pulled the steering-wheel off the column 'cos there was no nut holding it there (just the one with his hands on it).
Ute skidded on the dry-seal with both rear wheels locked up until it left the road and hit a power-pole about 35 metres after lock-up!!!
Yup, throw the speed limit out the window, and the need for a licence,and the need for a W.O.F ..... :spudwhat:

So did this ute have a current WOF? Was it to WOF standard, as it has to be if used on the road? Is it illegal to drive a vehicle on the road without a WOF?
Given the answer to the last question is yes, and the vehicle was not of WOF standard, and hence shouldn't be on the road, I fail to see your point.
Geoff

[rodgerd]

So did this ute have a current WOF? Was it to WOF standard, as it has to be if used on the road? Is it illegal to drive a vehicle on the road without a WOF?
Given the answer to the last question is yes, and the vehicle was not of WOF standard, and hence shouldn't be on the road, I fail to see your point.
Geoff

That someone who's too stupid to understand why it might be a poor decision to take a fully-laden ute on the road with non-functional brakes may, perhaps, be to stupid to make intelligent decisions about what a "safe speed" might be; hence a need for firm limits.

[Pwalo]

So you dont want to try and get it changed?

You're just winding me up now. I'd love to be able to determine my own speed limits but it's a somewhat facetious POV. I'm just stating the blatantly obvious.

But yes I think that the speed limit could be lifted on SOME stretches of roads. The downside is that variable speed limits could be just as frustrating as what we have at the moment, and probably more confusing. Perhaps we just adjust 100 to 110??

[spudchucka]

So did this ute have a current WOF? Was it to WOF standard, as it has to be if used on the road? Is it illegal to drive a vehicle on the road without a WOF?
Given the answer to the last question is yes, and the vehicle was not of WOF standard, and hence shouldn't be on the road, I fail to see your point.
Geoff

I think the ute story refers to the lack of intellectual ability in many road users and thus their incapibilty of making sound decisions as a road user. The same halfbreed could equally be driving down the road at high speed in a high performance car making equally as stupid decisions.

I believe ScumDog is suggesting that you will see more of these types of drivers if laws / rules were slackened or revoked.

[Posh Tourer :P]

You're just winding me up now. I'd love to be able to determine my own speed limits but it's a somewhat facetious POV. I'm just stating the blatantly obvious.

But yes I think that the speed limit could be lifted on SOME stretches of roads. The downside is that variable speed limits could be just as frustrating as what we have at the moment, and probably more confusing. Perhaps we just adjust 100 to 110??

Yes. Your post just seemed to be saying the laws are the laws, they know best, I'll just comply. My position is probably best described below, which I assumed was probably yours as well - but I felt the need to bring it up for the greater good anyway....

Othorgonal to obeying the current laws.

[Pwalo]

Yes. Your post just seemed to be saying the laws are the laws, they know best, I'll just comply. My position is probably best described below, which I assumed was probably yours as well - but I felt the need to bring it up for the greater good anyway....

No worries mate, but was the heck is the 'greater good'. I think it's already been said that laws have to act as a catch all so they are always going to be a compromise.Besides if they raise the speed limit too much my GS will seem even slower.

With the way that oil prices are going we'll probably find speed limits dropped!!!!

[marty]

and the advantage of opening the speed limit on sh1 south auck motorway, for those of us that like to ride sh22/sh25 etc are? cripes, the southern motorway is boring at 140k, 110 doesn't even get close.

[scumdog]

you come on here trolling about lack of discretion, yet when i was 15/16, and being policed by black and white uniformed traffic cops, i don't recall discretion being a word that they could even pronounce, let alone invoke. geez, when road policing was being looked after by so called 'experts' like yourself, it was out of control.


Year Road deaths
1980 599
1981 669
1982 673
1983 644
1984 669
1985 747
1986 766
1987 795
1988 727
1989 755

(from ltsa website)

Damn tootin' right Marty, I never saw 'discretion' from MOT, fail to indicate? ticket, WOF out by a week? ticket, blown tail light? ticket, number-plate bent to fit US mounting bracket? ticket, stop across foot-path? ticket - oh yeah, lets talk about discretion and how good it was in the old days before they stopped using discretion!!!! :spudwhat:

[scumdog]

That someone who's too stupid to understand why it might be a poor decision to take a fully-laden ute on the road with non-functional brakes may, perhaps, be to stupid to make intelligent decisions about what a "safe speed" might be; hence a need for firm limits.

You took the words right out of my mouth... the guy himself said "sometimes I just don't think and do stupid stuff"

[Lou Girardin]

Year Road deaths
1980 599
1981 669
1982 673
1983 644
1984 669
1985 747
1986 766
1987 795
1988 727
1989 755

(from ltsa website)

So, let's not even talk about the improvemnents in primary/secondary safety features in cars, improved/quicker emergency medical treatment, improved roads.
Just look at the reduction in Auck motorway fatals after the median barriers went in.
This argument by the LTSA/Police has been well demolished before.
If you guys were making a difference, why has the road toll increased as enforcement gets tougher?
More cars on the road? Or are people just sick of big brother and being the perverse creatures that humans are, they are protesting by pushing the limits?
When do your bosses admit that they've got it wrong or does Harry have to force them to?

[marty]

oh lou you're such a troll

[scumdog]

oh lou you're such a troll

AND he forgot to enlighten me on how I missed the point on 'discretion' as per my last post :sly:

[spudchucka]

More cars on the road? Or are people just sick of big brother and being the perverse creatures that humans are, they are protesting by pushing the limits?

There are more cars on the road. The fleet has increase by 36% since 1990. Road deaths have decreased 41%. How the f**k did that happen??