How does a ticket affect your riding?

[BMW]

Yeah, I know the ones. I agree.

what is it with them around SH16!!! There are more other places to get more tickets from like Hobby road where all travel to fast down!

[Coldrider]

I'm glad this has raised debate on both sides of the argument.
I just hope NZ doesn't go the way of UK where speeding is now seen as a bigger crime than drink driving.
I was zapped on a UK motorway at 86mph, the limit's 70.

Yes but the UK has a realistic threshold to start with. Is there any tolerance on the 70 mph?

[scumdog]

Yes there is quite the discussion going on in New Zealand Autocar letters to the editor (MPH) about Traffic Police using "historical readings" on their radars to book people with.

The easy way around that claim is to do what I do - show them the speed on the last ticket for both vehicles.

Pretty damn rare the police vehicle and speeder would be doing the same speeds twice in a row.

(Of course it's a bit harder to do if the police vehicle is stationery)

[scumdog]

now i am more cautious when and where i speed

Now ain't that a mouthful!

A cunning person could speed in places they are least likely to get pinged.

Bozos speed repetitavely in area where they are likely to get pinged.

Not that I condone speeding, oh no sir!

[kinger]

Yes but the UK has a realistic threshold to start with. Is there any tolerance on the 70 mph?

The unofficial line, I think, is that you'll get 3mph plus 10%, so you be okay for 80 on a motorway, but that genuinely depends on various factors. However, those limits won't apply in towns, near schools, sensible stuff really.
I've previously gone past a queue of cars sitting behind a rolling roadblock (police car sat at 67) doing about 95. The police tend to be quite sensible, and being in full armoured riding gear, bits like lifesavers etc lets you do stuff that a paddock jacket and jeans would get you pulled for.
Alternatively, dark visors, race cans and small number plates get under other officers collars, and would get you fined and pointed.
It can be a bit of a lottery really.

[MaxB]

The unofficial line, I think, is that you'll get 3mph plus 10%, so you be okay for 80 on a motorway, but that genuinely depends on various factors. However, those limits won't apply in towns, near schools, sensible stuff really.
I've previously gone past a queue of cars sitting behind a rolling roadblock (police car sat at 67) doing about 95. The police tend to be quite sensible, and being in full armoured riding gear, bits like lifesavers etc lets you do stuff that a paddock jacket and jeans would get you pulled for.
Alternatively, dark visors, race cans and small number plates get under other officers collars, and would get you fined and pointed.
It can be a bit of a lottery really.

Just saw a UK cop show on TV2 where they had a speeding cager doing near 160 kmh on the motorway for over 20 minutes. He got 3 points (need 12 for a ban) and a few hundred bucks fine and did NOT lose his licence even though he had previous points.

Another guy on a Bandit killed his girlfriend while stoned and over the alcohol limit. He was charged with dangerous driving causing death and got 61/2 years in jail.

One thing I did not agree with was a laser van ticketing 100s of road users just over the limit but at least it was plainly marked and there was a road sign as well.

Compare and contrast to our crappy system where speeding is up there with home invasion and arson and ask yourself who has the safest roads?

[zelto]

driving around europe/uk for 9 months last year (van), most are doing 120ks - 130ks on the motorways -as thats the limit-and you feel safe driving alongside them, they drive well.I felt more comfortable there, than on our roads with drivers at 100ks.They arent treated like children (europeans), they learn to handle speed and as a result , very few frustrations, no-one driving at 70ks on open road without using the slow lane/shoulder etc..
6 months ago a friend from austria came to nz, i was driving her (car) south from ch/ch on sh1, fine day little traffic i was doing 110ks, she looked at me and said," why are you driving so slowly (sexy)".The reason so many of us have trouble staying at under 100ks, is because that speed is counter intuitive, and bloody stupid!!

[uNople]

What I tend to do is:

In town I go traffic speed plus a bit (or if it's really congested, traffic speed)
On the open roads, I go 110+ (depending on traffic). I try to keep my speed less than 30Km/h over the speed limit, but it really depends on the conditions.

In the wet, I'll do the speed limit or traffic speed, whichever I feel is safer. Doing the speed limit while traffic speed is 10K/h over the limit is dangerous. Hence, traffic speed plus a bit for most of the time.

So far, I've only gotten one speeding ticket on my bike. It was about 2 weeks after I got it (when I was still riding stupidly), so I was continually thrashing the shit out of the bike, and doing ridiculous speeds round town. The speed camera only pinged me for 11K/h over the speed limit, but since I was stupidly riding, it could have easily been... a lot more over than just 11K/h. That made me realise that town is not a good place to speed, which made me slow down a shitload (to what I said in the prevous two paragraphs).

I agree with other comments in the thread about the open road speed limit being raised, but I think a better option would be to have proper driver training to handle speeds (and the corresponding hazards) in excess of 130K/h, and *then* raising the speed limit to 110 or 120. That way, people can actually handle the speed before the new speed limit is implemented.

[discotex]

I agree with other comments in the thread about the open road speed limit being raised, but I think a better option would be to have proper driver training to handle speeds (and the corresponding hazards) in excess of 130K/h, and *then* raising the speed limit to 110 or 120. That way, people can actually handle the speed before the new speed limit is implemented.

I'm all for a higher speed limit as 100km/h is painfully slow on many of our roads.

I'm not sure I'd like to raise the open road limit as so many drivers couldn't handle it unless we signposted every corner in the country. Road condition and hazards such as farming etc also make it harder to raise the limit in NZ.

The best idea I could think of would be to create a 110/120km/h limit bracket and apply it to motorways, expressways and much of the state highway system. Basically on a case by case basis raise the speed limit on roads that are safe enough for your average idiot to handle. Doing that with 60km/h around cities would be good too.

I like your idea of driver training but it'd take 30-50 years for everyone to die and be replaced with new learners that have gone through the new system. We're in the middle of that now with most drivers over 25 having never done a full licence test and most over 50 probably drove/rode around the block to get their full. While new drivers are taught pretty well now they quickly learn bad habits off the other 90% of drivers.

I guess you could fix that by re-testing every driver in real world traffic every 10 years (probably not a bad idea anyway).