Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[idleidolidyll]

ahhh, the cold war

those qwere the days.........when there was no such thing as a runaway superpower terrorising the planet.......

[idleidolidyll]

a number of the above excepting the taking up arms thing

killing people to stop the killing is like fucking to stop prostitution

[idleidolidyll]

Dammit moderator!

Please at least spell my name right, use cut and paste if ya have to (header)

even using the three eyes thing would be better: III

[BarBender]

ahhh, the cold war

those qwere the days.........when there was no such thing as a runaway superpower terrorising the planet.......

Yes....But Hoover was having a good time.

Good thread. Just put down Noel Chomskys latest. Bloody good read.

[idleidolidyll]

Yes....But Hoover was having a good time.

Good thread. Just put down Noel Chomskys latest. Bloody good read.

Chomsky is awesome and he scares them so!

My personal library has lots of that sort too.

the hanzi at the bottom of your message? i can speak it but i'm functionally illiterate when it comes to characters

[BIGBOSSMAN]

[COLOR=DarkOrange] Capitalism relies on creating a vast gap between the haves and have nots and also relies on a pool of unemployed. It is nothing less that a new form of serfdom for workers. I applaud socialist measures within a society to ameliorate the abuse that free market capitalism usually leads to. I care for those abused and trampled by the system.

Explain this statement to my former East German partner, whos father was investigated by the Stasi for stamp collecting!. Extremism is dangerous, whether right or left wing.

[jrandom]

killing people to stop the killing is like fucking to stop prostitution

Well, to reply to both those points:

A. I think that there can well be a worst-case tipping point where the only way forward in a disintegrating society is to arm everyone, and let the silent majority of people who just want to live in peace eliminate those who would benefit from the suffering of others. It's an extreme scenario, and not necessarily valid, but I do understand why some people are starting to identify the situation in Iraq that way.

B. If more girls put out, guys wouldn't have to pay for it!

[idleidolidyll]

ahh, there's some sense in there too (specially the last bit)

[idleidolidyll]

Explain this statement to my former East German partner, whos father was investigated by the Stasi for stamp collecting!. Extremism is dangerous, whether right or left wing.

yes it is and that is something i have noted several times: usually it is an offshoot of extreme authoritarianism and the scary shit happening in the USA now is a prime example (homeland insecurity etc)

[BarBender]

the hanzi at the bottom of your message? i can speak it but i'm functionally illiterate when it comes to characters

"tekkinmageki" = Kanji for bar bender

[idleidolidyll]

Oh Kanji, using traditional Chinese characters for the Japanese language.

I can read about 700-1000 Chinese characters but only the newer simplified stuff

[The Stranger:Me]

a number of the above excepting the taking up arms thing

killing people to stop the killing is like fucking to stop prostitution

So a comfortable armchair kind of outrage and disgust then.

Not sure what you are trying to say with your last sentence, however it occurs to me to be that a very effective way to stop a killer is to kill him or her, they wont fucking do it again will they?

[idleidolidyll]

sure, i'm old and live in New Zealand

do you expect me to storm the US Embassy and shoot a few yanks?

the power of the word is great indeed

kill a killer? perhaps. however, like the killing of saddam, it sometimes prevents further justice being done. had saddam faced an international court instead of the guaranteed and yank supported (wonder why?) mock trial and execution, we may have had the dirt on cheney, rumsfield, bush and others

killing only creates more killing which creates more killing which creates more killing which creates more killing ad infinitum

[jrandom]

... scary shit happening in the USA now is a prime example (homeland insecurity etc)

In my opinion, the descent of regimes into facism is driven by human nature, not ideology, and is resisted to the extent that the populace can block the power-grabbing behaviour of centralised authority.

Already the state governments of the USA are resisting federal impositions (the REAL ID Act, for example). I strongly suspect that the post-Bush administration, regardless of the party affiliation of the Executive, will be a period of devolution and introspection for the USA.

[idleidolidyll]

watch out fore the next false flag op; it's said they'll do it to keep bush in the white powder house and use it as a pretext to attack iran