Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[jrandom]

can you reference corroboration?

He's buggered off!

So he has! He's scarpered...

[BIGBOSSMAN]

i didn't because i couldn't decide what you meant by posting them.....

was it a desire to introduce tranquility in the midst of talk of carnage?

was it to remove the heat from the debate?

was it so prove that architecture survived where people didn't?



........ i wasn't IGNORING your pics - they are lovely ----- but ??

Your first point was the prime motivation, second point a minor and to tell the truth the 3rd didn't occur to me. It seems we immerse ourselves so much discussing politics and 'unsolveable' issues that we forget just how beautiful the world is.
Philosophy rant over.

Ssh, I'm having an attack of mild-manneredness

[The Stranger:Me]

no it isn't; Liebold were crooked and Bush was NOT elected

can you reference corroboration?

[jrandom]

can you reference corroboration?

He might have been subtly referencing the fact that the post he was responding to didn't...

[SPman]

The whole stolen elections idea is nothing more than a conspiracy theory thought up by people with too much time on their hand who are unhappy that their candidate did not win.

Do you actually read or research anything in other than the mainstream media? Beleive me, you don't have to look very far to realise there is something VERY rotten in the state of Bush!
Do you know the Constitution? - being a US citizen, you should know it cover to cover, right? Yet, your current "government" has managed to nullify, delete or just ignore over half of the constitution in the last 4 years!
The founders of the US knew that something like this could happen - read some of their writings and sayings - eg - Thomas Jefferson "- Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty" or maybe[Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny"

I quite like "- I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be."

[The Stranger:Me]

He might have been subtly referencing the fact that the post he was responding to didn't...

Get real. So you are charged with a crime, you go to court and have to prove you didn't do it or you are automatically assumed guilty.
Sorry it doesn't work that way (in general) III made an accusation, Kellyb refuted it. III should make good on his accusation.

[jrandom]

Get real. So you are charged with a crime, you go to court and have to prove you didn't do it or you are automatically assumed guilty.
Sorry it doesn't work that way (in general) III made an accusation, Kellyb refuted it. III should make good on his accusation.

Meh, meh.

I'd rather focus on the material I provided in relation to unreliable elections. What are your thoughts on that?

[The Stranger:Me]

Meh, meh.

I'd rather focus on the material I provided in relation to unreliable elections. What are your thoughts on that?

I don't mind in the slightest provided your material supports getting rid of comrade klarke.

[SPman]

I don't mind in the slightest provided your material supports getting rid of comrade klarke.

And replace him/her/whatever with Key? The man who won't tell you what his policies are, because:-a - theyr'e so retrograd, even the NZ populace will say fuck off, or:b - he hasn't actually got any!

Rock and hard places, eh

[jrandom]

I don't mind in the slightest provided your material supports getting rid of comrade klarke.

My material was purely of an international nature, I'm afraid.

[smoky]

Power corrupts no matter if it’s red green or blue power

Man is always his own worst enemy


We will never get thru all the smoke and mirrors put in place by the wealthy, the capitalists, the politician or those who seek to promote conspiracies, sell books, sell news, those driven by hate or irrational prejudice.
It’s the same if you talk about third world poverty, global warming, war or capitalism verses socialism and communism. But this is merely the end product of the melding of pathways
The real world lies in the realm of motivation, psychometric understandings and principalities – What is the driver, what makes people who they are and what they do.

The more a person removes them selves from the material world, the more they can rise above and see clearer, the big picture.
Just my view

[idleidolidyll]

Not talking about internal socialism. I'm pissed off at whatever government giving away our monies to outside agencies etc.

How much is the Kyoto agreement going to cost us and what are we goingt ot get out of it.

In aswer to my own question--- Millions and fuck all.

Why? So a bunch of tree huggers can feel good about themselves and hold themselves up to the rest of us as shining examples of benevolence and love for all. What a crock of shit. Every one of thos scum suckers are in it for anything they can get. The major prize to them is power over the popluace.

so you think you can continue to fuck over the planet and not have to pay for it?

Kyoto is way better than the Aussie and Yank way: ignore it and hope it'll blow over

[The Stranger:Me]

And replace him/her/whatever with Key? The man who won't tell you what his policies are, because:-a - theyr'e so retrograd, even the NZ populace will say fuck off, or:b - he hasn't actually got any!

Rock and hard places, eh

In terms of policy it's neither here nor there.
However I can not remember any party in our history more dishonest and self serving. In that regard this Labour party I feel leads the western world.
Paintings, election pledge cards, changing the law so as they couldn't be prosecuted for breaking it (hell, I wish I could do that), even trying to change the laws around campaigning at election time as they have defies belief.

[idleidolidyll]

And replace him/her/whatever with Key? The man who won't tell you what his policies are, because:-a - theyr'e so retrograd, even the NZ populace will say fuck off, or:b - he hasn't actually got any!

Rock and hard places, eh

Key is a liar and as soon as he grabs power he'll sell us down the river faster than Helen can embarrass a junior politician.

What scares me the most is the amount of support he got for telling us absolutely nothing

[idleidolidyll]

can you reference corroboration?

go to www.scoop.co.nz and search there for Black Box Voting

scoop nwe zealand was the first media agency on the planet to break the story and has kept up to speed the whole time: there's screeds and screeds of data