Unbelieveable cop negligence

**Coldkiwi** · 18th October 2004, 12:11

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Natural selection at its finest............so long as noboby else gets killed, aye!

well, if they're riding harleys (you know most of the populace would get a harley first if forced onto a bike because they don't know anything else)... they wouldn't be going very fast!

**scumdog** · 18th October 2004, 13:24

Originally Posted by Coldkiwi

well, if they're riding harleys (you know most of the populace would get a harley first if forced onto a bike because they don't know anything else)... they wouldn't be going very fast!

Ooooh! Oooooh! - I could so bitch-slap you for that Ck if I diddn't know you were such a troll!!!!

(retires to room in tears in case it's not a troll)

**spudchucka** · 18th October 2004, 13:31

Originally Posted by KATWYN

A few months ago we had a nut case come into work asking for money-
(we are out of the public eye )

I did'nt ask questions,it was clearly a threatening situation- his eyes were glazed over from what ever he was on & making " I won't take no for an answer" demands.....so I gave the guy $150.00 dollers. Anyway when he
left we went to the police.....

Upon description the police had been looking for this guy that day.

All we got was "so why did you give him the money?"

and "next time if he turns up and threatens you, excuse yourself from him
and ring the police immediataly"

All this because "he never physically harmed us or had a weapon" so he hasn't really done anything wrong.

Sorry, I hadn't seen this post before now, I was looking for a different thread.

I'd like to know a bit more if possible. How was he threatening? Was it his words, his behaviour, his appearance? You mentioned that he didn't have a weapon, can you be sure of that? Why were the police looking for him?

If you feel that you are in immediate danger if you don't comply then I'd suggest doing what he asks. If you are sure he is not armed and you are confident that you can protect yourself then ring the police, tell him to piss off, kick him in the nuts, run out into the street and scream for help, whatever you think is the best option. The important thing is don't put yourself in a position where he can hurt you, its not worth it.

As for an offence, if he threatened you with violence if you did not hand over money then that is a robbery. If he just looked and acted threateningly and you gave him the money simply because you were scared of him and you wanted him to go away then that would be stretching things somewhat. For instance if a 7 foot tall Mongrel Mob memeber, all stinky and moko'd up walks into the corner dairy and says "give me some smokes" and the shop keeper craps himself at the sight of the guy, chucks him a carton and then runs and hides, is that robbery?

**Quasievil** · 18th October 2004, 14:13

Originally Posted by Coldkiwi

hmm, sounds like Quasi and co would definitely have agreed to a definition of dangerous driving. What do you think Brett?

Isn't it a little ironic that it only needs corroboration from witnesses to make a dangerous/careless driving charge stick but it requires a medical professional to decide if drugs are involved? If someone is high as a kite, its surely pretty obvious and if everyone standing around agree's then whats the problem with saying 'hey, we couldn't test for it, but the fool could barely stand up and is clearly not capable of driving safely'.

Honestly, if more people rode bikes, the amount of drink/drugged driving would manage it self I think! (how far do you reckon a drunk could ride before crashing?)

Well typically this has gone on for a huge debate, keep it simple .
Cops are representative of the LAW and IF the Law is an Arse so are the cops that represent it,I could have been killed I was on state one when a drugged driver served unexpectatly in front of ME and I left the road and went on the middle strip , I was lucky.
I RANG the cops to tell them, the cops stopped him, THE COPS LET HIM KEEP GOING all the way to Welly or whereever. The cop was a negligent as was the law HE REPRESENTS.
if the law cant protect its citizens from an obvious threat to peoples lives then it is an Arse as is those that represent the law.
simple end of story, i dont particulary care about the ins and outs of wreckless vs dangerous or about power of arrest or what a cop can and cant do its simple isnt it ?? a drugged driver was driving on the road and was permitted after soberring up 5 mins to keep going, so the law is an arse.
He should have lost his rights to drive for a period of time longer than 5 mins, the stupid prick probably had another breath from the glue /paint bag after he was let go!!!
Bloody hopeless

**KATWYN** · 18th October 2004, 14:16

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Sorry, I hadn't seen this post before now, I was looking for a different thread.

I'd like to know a bit more if possible. How was he threatening? Was it his words, his behaviour, his appearance? You mentioned that he didn't have a weapon, can you be sure of that? Why were the police looking for him?

If he just looked and acted threateningly and you gave him the money simply because you were scared of him and you wanted him to go away then that would be stretching things somewhat. For instance if a 7 foot tall Mongrel Mob memeber, all stinky and moko'd up walks into the corner dairy and says "give me some smokes" and the shop keeper craps himself at the sight of the guy, chucks him a carton and then runs and hides, is that robbery?

You pretty much got it in one, it was definitely just getting what you want using intimidation. There were three of us in my office. It was
pretty small and he was in the way of the "escape route"...so #1/ nowhere to run

#2/ yea the whole tats all over the face,neck,hands thing-but I tend to not
get too worried about that sort of thing.

#3/ my husband was in the office he is over 6 foot and 18 stone....and I found out afterwards he was feeling threatened at the time, but felt he could have a good go at the guy if he had pulled a knife...It appears I was the one feeling most threatened in the incident.

#4/ My 17 year old sister n law was outside aware of what was going on in the office and was really worried (prior,I had told her to stay in the car with the dog and not get out) - later she told me, she wanted to ring the police when we were all in the office, but instead she did what I told her....and that was to stay in the car with the dog.

#5/ His personality changed from "charming to aggressive" when hubby told him "why should we give you money".....thats when I could sense the unpredictibility

#6/ The police said he is "red flagged" (whatever that means) and that they were looking for him that day because he had intimidated some other people into giving him money as well. They said he had a list of drug related
and assault offences- but weren't prepared to tell us more.

My main concerns were with my 17 year old s'n'law as because of the constables comments etc she was very confused about giving or not giving money if you are feeling threatened in the future.

Thanks Spud I will pass the info on to her as well.

**scumdog** · 18th October 2004, 14:22

Originally Posted by Quasievil

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or about power of arrest or what a cop can and cant do its simple isnt it ?? a drugged driver was driving on the road and was permitted after soberring up 5 mins to keep going, so the law is an arse.
He should have lost his rights to drive for a period of time longer than 5 mins, the stupid prick probably had another breath from the glue /paint bag after he was let go!!!
Bloody hopeless

Do what I have done (in a past life)
The driver was incapable at 5:30a.m. he ran off but left a passenger, I grabbed the keys, opened the bonnet, reached in and grabbed a handful of wires and HEAVED, there was a lot of snapping and cracking noise, then I threw away into the darkness the fistful of wires I had ripped out.

Car was stuck there that long I just KNOW the driver didn't drive drunk for many hours (days?) surprisingly no complaint and saved giving some poor cop more work.(I had no way of calling one anyway).

**2_SL0** · 18th October 2004, 15:26

Dial 111, for the new Auckland Taxi service.

**Gixxer** · 18th October 2004, 15:34

Originally Posted by NC30_chick

Why does that NOT suprise me?

I have the up most respect for cops, but just some of them piss me off!

Like the guy that tried to press charges against me cause I was defending myself cause he was choking me. When I said to him that I couldn’t breathe, he told me I was still talking to I must be able too.

It's not my bloody fault that I broke 6 of his fingers, spilt his nose open and dislocated his shoulder cause he wouldn't let go.

Apparently I apologized to him too :spudwhat:

Sorry, not sure if I missed something, was the guy choking you a cop?

**750Y** · 18th October 2004, 15:36

Originally Posted by Quasievil

...the "offender" went out into oncoming traffic and narrowly missed a head on....they uncovered he was on "spray" and was off his face...he was obviously a danger to everyone on the road

yeah that's bad news glad no-one was hurt, I've seen exactly the same thing..when the young woman in a 2 door hatch, also 'on spray', drifted across the centreline head on into a BMW 2 up from me. I was first to the car and found 4 kids in that car, none with seatbelts. when the driver(who had her own belt on which i'd cut off) came to and became abusive i felt like laying her out on the spot, but there were more importanat things going on at the time.
take it easy out there peoples and try to learn from others mistakes before someone gets hurt.
as for the cop.. i'm amazed.

**sAsLEX** · 18th October 2004, 16:07

Originally Posted by KATWYN

#6/ The police said he is "red flagged" (whatever that means) and that they were looking for him that day because he had intimidated some other people into giving him money as well. They said he had a list of drug related
and assault offences- but weren't prepared to tell us more.

well I feel safer now that they "flag" scum that go around using intimidation to take money from other law abiding citizens. We could replace prison with harsher colors and maybe even make them wear the flag around so we can spot them,

**spudchucka** · 18th October 2004, 21:12

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Well typically this has gone on for a huge debate, keep it simple .
Cops are representative of the LAW and IF the Law is an Arse so are the cops that represent it,I could have been killed I was on state one when a drugged driver served unexpectatly in front of ME and I left the road and went on the middle strip , I was lucky.
I RANG the cops to tell them, the cops stopped him, THE COPS LET HIM KEEP GOING all the way to Welly or whereever. The cop was a negligent as was the law HE REPRESENTS.
if the law cant protect its citizens from an obvious threat to peoples lives then it is an Arse as is those that represent the law.
simple end of story, i dont particulary care about the ins and outs of wreckless vs dangerous or about power of arrest or what a cop can and cant do its simple isnt it ?? a drugged driver was driving on the road and was permitted after soberring up 5 mins to keep going, so the law is an arse.
He should have lost his rights to drive for a period of time longer than 5 mins, the stupid prick probably had another breath from the glue /paint bag after he was let go!!!
Bloody hopeless

You don't have to say much to convince me that we need stronger laws, harsher penalties and more wide ranging police powers to deal with these sorts of vermin. Problem is we live in a country full of lefties that think that sort of thing is an infringement on their rights.

**spudchucka** · 18th October 2004, 21:14

Originally Posted by KATWYN

My main concerns were with my 17 year old s'n'law as because of the constables comments etc she was very confused about giving or not giving money if you are feeling threatened in the future.

Thanks Spud I will pass the info on to her as well.

The cop was wrong. You should always think of your own personal safety first.

**Pixie** · 20th March 2005, 01:37

The cop hierarchy have decreed that traffic police concentrate enforcement on Joe and Jane average,as they trot off to the court and pay their fine like good little kiwis.After all,it's no use giving a ticket to a gang member who just tears it up,where's the revenue in that?

**inlinefour** · 20th March 2005, 07:31

At the end of the day the law can be a real arse at times and we should not allways blame the Copper(s) involved. Aerosoles are a dangerous thing, this person will probably die rather young if he/she continues with the useage. I do know that individuals can come down rather quick off the crap. The important thing would be to take the aerosole off them. Mr Huntley copper does a good job, allways working when I'm off up north to see my boy. No point slagging off the Copper involved as I'm sure he would have done all that he could. I'm just surprised if he let the unlicienced individual drive away. Don't let the media know if thats the case...