Revenue collecting.

[SPman]

It must be something the United Nations wants implemented, Clark's masters! They say jump, she says, how high?

Whatever this government does, it's based on their anti-social, anti-freedom, anti-people attitudes anyway.

Unfortunately, what happens in NZ is happening all around the world, and NZ is nowhere near the most controlled environment, even if it may seem like it at times.

[Magua]

I feer demeirts way more than demerits, soon you will be 3 tickets at 120km/hr in a 100 zone and you will be walking.

Demerits more than demerits? :O

[The Pastor]

Demerits more than demerits? :O

i ph33r demerits way more than fines.

[jafar]

Having just got back from a trip to Queensland lemme fill you in on a what happened to my sons flat mate.

One sunnny "School Holiday" weekend he decided to take his blackbird for a wee ride down the highway. He reckons the day was awesome, good mates, good bikes and lots of great twisties to have fun on. But how things changed.

A week or so later he recieved the notice in the mail... speed camera fine and 3 demierit points and a couple hundred in fines... bastard. School holidays Oh No double the points 6 demerit points, Ouch!

The next day another notice in the mail....another speed camera fine and 3 more demierit points... Hang on they made a mistake! This fine was from the same camera on the same streach of road on the same day... Dumb Asses musta sent the same notice twice..

Hold on again! a flat mate has just spied the time and speed on each notice ... bummer five minutes apart different speeds.

Double Oh No!! Two fines on one day, School Holidays as well double the demrit points.

Do the math start with 12 demerit points then take away 6 + 6 that equals loss of licence.

Seems that after the ride he visited the local Dairy and got snapped both there an back doing about 70 in a 60kms area.

From what he reckons he'd rather pay off a fine an have his bike licence still.

That would hurt for me too.

BTW parking fines also gets ya demerit points.

P38

Bugger that, @ least we can cop a speed camera with no demerits.
Up the fines & do away with demerits .

[MarkyMark]

And income is usually a good indication of someone's guilt eh? Reason enough to hammer them rich bastards harder...

I wonder sometimes why there's any reasonably sane people left here. In fact, much as I love my home I can't see me being here much longer. One less "them" for those left to worry about.

You misunderstand me, I think. Of course don't "hammer 'em harder," hammer 'em the same amount. I'm no bloody socialist $100 means a lot more to some than it does to others, but a loss of license hurts us all the same. It's just a way of making sure a deep pocketbook doesn't let you ignore laws some can't afford to.

[Ocean1]

You misunderstand me, I think. Of course don't "hammer 'em harder," hammer 'em the same amount. I'm no bloody socialist $100 means a lot more to some than it does to others, but a loss of license hurts us all the same. It's just a way of making sure a deep pocketbook doesn't let you ignore laws some can't afford to.

Nope, that’s exactly what I figured you meant. And yes, treating people differently based on wealth means you’re a socialist. ~ sic: a political doctrine or system which aims to create a classless society by removing the nation's wealth (land, industries, transport systems, etc) out of private and into public hands.
Learn to take responsibility for your own choices eh? and let everyone else do the same.

[MarkyMark]

...treating people differently based on wealth...

Which I am NOT advocating! I said that giving demerit points punishes everyone equally. How on earth are you reading me as wanting to treat people differently based on wealth?

[Ocean1]

Which I am NOT advocating! I said that giving demerit points punishes everyone equally. How on earth are you reading me as wanting to treat people differently based on wealth?

Appologies dude, as you were. Actually I wonder if incerasing the demerits wouldn't simply tend to hurt everyone, it's easy enough in all good concience to lose your licence now. I could support better enforcement of recidivist offenders, those caught driving disqualified for the Nth time...

[ColonelSponz]

HAHAHA Mark...you little socialist you. Now I understand why you went to all those IS meetings...

[ynot slow]

Everyone it is not revenue,it's a fucken invoice.An invoice from nz finest beaurocratic zone.From now on I call them invoices,we had the guys in our work van last week get picked up without wearing seatbelts,included a passenger,2 vans 3 invoices,looked bloody funny as they were waiting for each other to get to the job.

Another option could be,fine is $... and minimal demerits(ideal for reps),or fine $...less dollars but more points,your choice.

[Skyryder]

Here is a randon wee morsel I am privy to. The powers that be are going to drop the fines for almost everything, and up the demerit points.

Possibly Cullen is going to sell this as a tax cut, but maybe I'm just cynical.

However, it makes it hard to argue that the tickets are about revenue when the revenue will surely take a dive.

Will it make much difference to how we drive/ride? Less tickets needed to lose the right to drive/ride.

I am thinking it is aimed at the "car enthusiasts" who rack of zillions of bucks in fines and don't give a toss.

Interested in your thoughts.

It's probably a fairer system than fines. Demerits hit everybody equally where as fines have more impact on the financially less fortunate.

However I suspect this is more to do with the PR and the publics perception that the H/way Police are revinue gathers. Given the hits that the police have taken in recent months anything that will remove this revinue gathering concept from the publics mind and improve the overall perception of the police with an election not too far in the future..................like I said PR.

Skyryder

[MarkyMark]

Great for miscommunication, the old internet.

[canarlee]

Great for miscommunication, the old internet.

bwahahahahaha


no its not "miscommunication", its mis-interpretation.


but yes, it is only the internet.

[Renegade]

(quote craig228)
We need some kind of divisive issue that the Government ends up pushing its agenda at us, and the majority of the country are opposed to

ahh, wsnt that the anti smacking bill?

Question, if it wasnt the Police giving out the tickets and instead some other independant agency would the public still hate the Police, i still dont get it that people hate them so much yet they still call them if the need them, wtf???

i do beleive that "Speed kills" is relative to the situation and taken out of context to suit peoples rants, the fact is that the faster that you travel the less time you have to react to dangerous situations therefore increasing the chance of having a crash, and now is where the "speed kills" actually comes into play, the human body simply cant argue with physics can it? the body just comes apart and the faster you go the more damage you do when you impact, its that simple, unless of course you are superman/woman or have an exo skeleton which i say put your money where your mouth is, ill even supply the bike for you to ride into a concrete wall to prove that speed dosnt kill on impact.

[swbarnett]

and the faster you go the more damage you do when you impact

So it's not the speed, it's the deceleration that kills.