Speeding and lack of riding skills

[dogsnbikes]

thankyou

[boomer]

So Boomer, how was 16 today anyway?

good mate, no rozzas but there were a couple of retards on those pig ugly slow things.. cruisers.. the wobbly useless old fookah at the back nearly shat himself when we passed 'em and he almost went bush.. doddery old fool...they should learn how to ride properly

[bmz2]

Bmz2, If you had reacted poorly, your 1/2 ton of bike would have knocked his straight into the oncoming car, which then probably would have taken you also,
I could see it all in slow motion, they cut in front of me forcing me to brake and evade, then to my surprise, even right before the lefthander, they pulled out again and cut the Gwing off, forcing him to also hit the anchors, at that stage I was shaking my head, so was the GWing, and bugger me, now right on the tight lefthander, with oncoming traffic, they whip out pass the 109 and panic as they see the oncoming, try to cut hard left across the path of the 9, mate you not only saved at least your own life but theirs as well.... good fast reaction and decision making.. well done..

cheers johnny , still ended up a good ride ,nice to get home as well wiffy was getting worried

[Timber020]

There are idiots in every form of transport, a woman today pulled out infront of me on a Bicycle, I have been cut up or nearly run down by trucks, bikes, scooters, vans, cars, buses etc.

Choose a sport or occupation, you will always find the idiots, you will find the young bloods trying to prove themselves and learn the ropes, you will find the experienced guys who were as bad when younger, many of who would rather cruise than go hard. And there will be little understanding of each other.

Age old problem.

[bmz2]

well, well , we seem to have found the bikers who forced me off the road and the other cruisers , so now i will arrange a meet with them

[johnnyflash]

There are idiots in every form of transport, a woman today pulled out infront of me on a Bicycle, I have been cut up or nearly run down by trucks, bikes, scooters, vans, cars, buses etc.

Very true, but you left out skate boards

Choose a sport or occupation, you will always find the idiots, you will find the young bloods trying to prove themselves and learn the ropes, you will find the experienced guys who were as bad when younger, many of who would rather cruise than go hard. And there will be little understanding of each other


There I would beg to differ, yep we all go through the stages as youngsters, learning the limits, learning the skills, difference was it seems, I at least was taught to respect others on the road, and certainly whilst I did some crazy stunts in my youth, it was done either on deserted roads or race tracks, (tarmac and dirt) and I generally try not to make the same mistake twice . (I can understand BMZ2's fury, if Im out hunting and points a loaded gun at me threatening my life I'm going to react, I'll be pissed off, its no difference to the road scenario) well yes maybe there is a difference, because I'd take the gun off him and beat his head in
What on earth makes you think that cruisers cant go hard... just because someone wishes to cruise some or most of the time at close to road legal speed doesnt mean they cant or dont for that matter, its more a matter of time and place for these things.. Im sure those of you that have ridden with cruisers for any length of time have learned that they or there riders are quite capable of footing it with any other type of bike, though as they tend to be ridden by riders with years of riding experience they tend not to take quite so many risks..
I would say MOST, (not all) older riders have a very good understanding of younger riders,we've been where they are but they aint been where we have..

Age old problem.

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[Skyryder]

good mate, no rozzas but there were a couple of retards on those pig ugly slow things.. cruisers.. the wobbly useless old fookah at the back nearly shat himself when we passed 'em and he almost went bush.. doddery old fool...they should learn how to ride properly

In my experiance it's the 'old fools' that do know how to ride. It's one reason why they have grown old. Hope you make my age but with your attitude odds on you won't.

Skyryder

[bmz2]

he won't , read his post , if he is talking trash then thats cool ,if not then i wont be dailing *555

[swbarnett]

What I take from this thread is that a lot of people are still confused. They seem to equate reckless driving and speed. They are not one in the same. Yes, reckless driving is often done at speed but driving at speed does not have to be reckless.

The two riders mentioned in the first post are reckless idiots, this would be true if the maneuvers mentioned were performed under or over the speed limit.

Also, I caught the hint that people already think today's accident was caused by speed alone. This is extremely premature. Just because he was doing 150km/h does not mean that this caused the accident. I for one do not yet know the facts and refuse to speculate.

[bmz2]

dude , agree , but thinkabout this my bike is 39" wide just over 8 1/2 feet long one lane road oncomming traffic and two sports bike sde by side overtaking on a left hand corner

[Timber020]

..............There I would beg to differ, yep we all go through the stages as youngsters, learning the limits, learning the skills, difference was it seems, I at least was taught to respect others on the road, and certainly whilst I did some crazy stunts in my youth, it was done either on deserted roads or race tracks, (tarmac and dirt) and I generally try not to make the same mistake twice . (I can understand BMZ2's fury, if Im out hunting and points a loaded gun at me threatening my life I'm going to react, I'll be pissed off, its no difference to the road scenario) well yes maybe there is a difference, because I'd take the gun off him and beat his head in
What on earth makes you think that cruisers cant go hard... just because someone wishes to cruise some or most of the time at close to road legal speed doesnt mean they cant or dont for that matter, its more a matter of time and place for these things.. Im sure those of you that have ridden with cruisers for any length of time have learned that they or there riders are quite capable of footing it with any other type of bike, though as they tend to be ridden by riders with years of riding experience they tend not to take quite so many risks..
I would say MOST, (not all) older riders have a very good understanding of younger riders,we've been where they are but they aint been where we have..
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Read my post again carefully, take your time. I didnt mention cruisers in my post at all, or riding pace.

[boomer]

In my experiance it's the 'old fools' that do know how to ride. It's one reason why they have grown old. Hope you make my age but with your attitude odds on you won't.

Skyryder

You're either too senile or too slow. I'd hazard a guess at both; given your bike, uptake on my sarcasm and admitted old age.

How about you crawl back in your box and curl up ready for the reaper....'cos you know he's coming...old man.


ps.. it's "experience". Some learn quicker than others and some learn the hard way.

[raster]

SH 16 was great tiday and I saw 2 rozzers waiting down a side road.

I don't go on group rides anymore because I end up riding alone anyway.

I have a wife and family who I love, I want to live a long time yet.

I think many people experience the same as bmz2 with the temporary NZ'rs, it sure get the adrenaline running.

When your on a bike, incedents affect you more because your closer to them and more is at stake.

Consideration needs to be shown for all road users no matter what they are on or in.

[steveb64]

Said 1000 times. It is not speed that kills. Outright dangerous riding and very dodgey overtaking puts other riders at risk. Sure if you go to the track then you expect someone to come past on your shoulder. But not everyone on the road is at racepace. This is the whole point. It is a public road and some *choose* to ride at a more conservative pace than others and that should be respected. And by respected I mean waiting until a safe pass can be made and passing with respect to other riders rather than picking off a gap that barely exists just to show how fast you are.

Couldn't have put it better! Hell - if you're on a bike - it's not that bad waiting until there's no oncoming traffic to pass - you don't need much of a gap. Even if you just pick off the cages one by one. Often as not, if there's a group of you (particularly if some of them are Harleys), by the time the last ones gone through, the cars are half in the drain, letting the bikes past. Sometimes its fun being tail end charlie... ...and I usually give the cages a wave.

Personally, I wait until I'm well away from ANYTHING that looks like a SH before I turn the wick up. Actually, that's why I downsized and bought the Ducati - to temper my addiction to ridiculous speeds (80 hp means about 210K flat out) otherwise I'd either have no licence (again, but for longer...), or be a smear down the road... - and to reduce tyre costs. Still has enough boogey to nip past traffic, without having to resort to white or yellow lining, and I can be polite, so if I'm stopped further on for a smoko break, I don't get hasselled by irate cagers. Now that sours the day.

Paid off once in Scotland (of all places) - 3 of us riding together, got seperated (well, lost 1) in Inverness, the missus and I knew which direction we were all supposed to be heading - as did the mate we lost - but we thought he was in front of us... Well, he had been, at the lights - with a van between us and him... We got out of town a bit and waited for 5 - 10 minutes - no sign. "Nope, he MUST be in front of us." So off we go. At 150k cruising, (missus on a RF900, me on the Duke - both new (then)), working our way past a longish string of traffic, missus in front, when I hear this WHHHIIRRR behind/beside me - look over and shit myself - cop on a bike right on my shoulder! SHIT! But he sails past me, so I figure "He's after the bike in front. This'll be interesting!". I've found cops often react differently when they pull someone over, the offender takes the helmet off, and it's a chick. Can quite take the wind out of their sails... But bugger me - he gives the missus a wave, and passes her and sails off into the distance!
So we just kept going same speed for a while - didn't catch up to mate - so slowed down a bit, then picked a town with a restaurant where we could park the bikes where they could be seen and stopped for lunch.
Mate turned up about 20-30 minutes later - he'd lost us at Inverness, thought (for some odd reason) that we'd gone back to the B&B we'd stopped at the night before, so went all the way back (to Loch Ness), didn't find us, and then gave chase...

[Edbear]

no, you MIS-interpreted what I wrote and responded based on pure assumption

so there isn't really any justification, is there...

thanks and have a nice day

Miss-interpretations, assumptions, justifications...? Anyone would think this was KB...!!!

Personally I agree with bmZ2! We've all done high speeds, (well, maybe not Sunhuntin...), and I would think most would be rather choosy about where and when! However, the type of riding bmZ2 describes is NOT what we should be doing to each other regardless of the type of bike we ride!

I remember having a "discussion" with my son-in-law about his driving one day. Now he's a very capable and safe driver and I trust him completely with my daughter and Grandson, but the issue was that he should drive according to the comfort of his passengers, rather than to his own capabilities. Yes, he was safe and competent, but his passengers weren't comfortable, but it was a mission to get him to drive well below his capabilities to make his passengers feel relaxed. The point being that riding with others means we should put our ego's aside and ride according to the comfort and safety of the other riders. We may think we're competent and safe, but if they don't, we are in the wrong, especially if someone were to crash due to reacting to our riding. It's called "consideration for others".