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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankMe View Post
    They need to go.

    As usual it takes a tragedy before action is taken, so this thread is for compiling information about why they should be removed, so lets stick to the facts.

    • Whats wrong with them
    • Should they be removed or modified
    • What other countries have done
    • How to approach/convince Transit NZ

    No idle comments or guesses please. We just need info.
    While i abhor these things, and agree with the justifiable outrage felt by many, i hope the protest action does not degenerate into a 3 ring circus and is subsequently neutered by fast talking local body politicians and dept heads with vested interests. I believe the campaign needs to be coordinated,considered, achieveable and professional to succeed. The presentation also needs to be coherent, and data watertight to avoid being minimised or merely dismissed. Feedback i have had from BRONZ is encouraging and look forward to tomorrows meeting.
    From Bronz (Lyn Mckie)
    i promised I would update you on the National meeting discussions on rope barriers.
    The issue was discussed at length - and I do mean at length. Wholehearted agreement that we all dislike these barriers but a grudging acceptance that no barrier is good for riders. We have come up with a plan of attack that is underway. Auckland BRONZ and National Prez will be taking the lead on this but Areas are encouraged to get the message out as well.

    1. Meet with Transit NZ to hear from them why they use the Brifen Wire Rope Barrier and what considerations are taken into account to decide the type of road safety measure to be used - I firmly believe the cost issue is big but it will be interesting to see what they say. This meeting is being organised with the Transit rep Dave Bates and Finn - our new National President along with Les Mason - the Auckland President. We did try to organise for Transit to be at the meeting on Saturday but time was too tight - Transit have said they are keen to meet so that's a good start.
    The Kiwi Biker people are also working on this but in a more visible and probably a more radical way - comments apparently of taking to the wire rope barriers with gas cutters! They are organising a protest run which is a shame really because like a strike a protest run is really your last action. Anyways the agreed BRONZ approach is to work with Govt/agencies on a reasonable and realistic basis. We won't get the use of these barriers stopped completely I believe but we need their use to be assessed to acknowledge any increased risk to motorcyclists. We need to know what the risks are for all barriers - wire rope, concrete & Armco. We also want to make sure these barriers are used appropriately - we do not agree with them being used on the outside of corners or on single lane roads (the Kapati Cost road out of Wgtn is the worst example of this in NZ). We need to make sure they are being used as they are designed to be too.

    2. Set a position and get it known
    BRONZ has concerns about road barriers, in particular Brifen wire rope barriers. We'll take the opportunity to meet with Transit to discuss the problem. We will be asking Transit to
    a) review the deployment of the Brifen Wire Rope Barrier
    b) halt further deployment until the review is completed, and
    c) develop an action plan to make existing barriers "safer" for motorcyclists.

    On c) - I want to see measures taken to reduce the risk associated with impact against barriers generally - a lot is being done in Europe to reduce the risks for motorcyclists. Some of the solutions are simple and can make a big difference.

    I've been in contact with Transit locally - the regional manager is Mike O'Cain and he is OK to deal with. He's out of town at the moment so I'll try him again later in the week. I am also drafting a letter to the Ed for the ODT to get our position out there - it would be good if we could get a few letters in the paper about this to raise the profile locally and to show Transit motorcyclists are worried about this down here as well.

    3. Petition - we understand Kiwi Biker could be putting a petition together. We will wait and see what they come up with - if OK from BRONZ perspective we will encourage members and all riders to support it.

    So - at this stage we are working on building a reasonable relationship with Transit so they see us as the people to deal with over this, ultimately to get improvements in the use of wire rope barriers as well as other barriers.
    More discussion at the meeting on Thursday I'm sure.
    Ride safe
    Lyn
    Last edited by cold comfort; 31st October 2007 at 22:29. Reason: more info

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    I wrote to my local MP, Dr Jonathan Coleman.
    Here is his reply:

    Thanks for your email- it's always good to hear from people in the electorate. I saw the coverage regarding Daniel Evans on the tv news and was frankly shocked by his tragic death. I agree with you that these cheesecutter barriers need to be replaced. I am going to make my concerns known to Maurice Williamson, our transport spokesman.
    Regards, Jonathan
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    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    On one section of the motorway, not far from the recent crash site, Transit (presumably) have planted bushes along the line of the wire. I am not one who knows the names of all the various bushes or shrubs , but these are a very tight compact bush, that forms a ball shape about 6 to 8 foot in diameter, reaching to the ground. In some places they completely enclose the barrier on both sides. I stopped and poked one of the bushes, and it was a good strong woody thing , with close knit interwoven branches.
    Those shrubs are called Hebe. I noticed them too on my way down to the protest ride. They are reasonably low maintenance, but do need to be cut back reasonably hard for them to maintain thier denseness. They are prone to become leggy if left alone. Nice spotting Mr Ixion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gubb View Post
    Nonono,

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    car vs cheesecutter photo?

    Gidday... there was a pic of a car vs cheesecutter in a post recently, which I just can't find. I was hoping to include it in my office newsletter with a link to www.cheesecutter.co.nz

    If you know where it is, please can you repost it.

    Thanks heaps.

    Zaq
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    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaq View Post
    Gidday... there was a pic of a car vs cheesecutter in a post recently, which I just can't find. I was hoping to include it in my office newsletter with a link to www.cheesecutter.co.nz

    If you know where it is, please can you repost it.

    Thanks heaps.

    Zaq
    Or check the Barrier Info page on the Cheesecutter website.

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    i always wondered what would happen if a car's bonnet was lower than the wires... now we know....

    (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...5&d=1194426291)


    imagine if they were in a convertible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    i always wondered what would happen if a car's bonnet was lower than the wires... now we know....

    (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...5&d=1194426291)


    imagine if they were in a convertible?
    By the time the car came to rest, they were in a convertible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanx View Post
    By the time the car came to rest, they were in a convertible.
    With a flip top head. Makes cleaning ya teeth easier huh!


    :slap:

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    i always wondered what would happen if a car's bonnet was lower than the wires... now we know....

    (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...5&d=1194426291)


    imagine if they were in a convertible?
    Yep, or any car with a low pointy bonnet (ferrari, porsche, lambo, vette, rx7 etc...) or something like a mx5 (where the hell would we be without hairdressers???) or s2000 etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATH_INC. View Post
    mx5 (where the hell would we be without hairdressers???)
    Surprised you can remember what hairdressers are for, mate.

    Anyway - my other half's got an MX5. She's no hairdresser. But then, she is engaged to a Honda rider, so what do you expect.
    (just get that in before anyone else says it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEATH_INC. View Post
    ... something like a mx5 (where the hell would we be without hairdressers???)
    Just aim more carefully when you're heading for the cheesecutters in an mx5. As long as you want a flat-top.

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    i always wondered what would happen if a car's bonnet was lower than the wires... now we know....

    (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...5&d=1194426291)


    imagine if they were in a convertible?
    oooo.... but it stopped the car crossing into oncoming traffic right....

    so i guess it did its job right, and it was cheap too!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by *caution* View Post
    oooo.... but it stopped the car crossing into oncoming traffic right....

    so i guess it did its job right, and it was cheap too!!!
    yea for the government too... no injured person to heal.
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    i dunno, if that barrier was deployed on a centre line like LTNZ likes to do, it'd still be in the path of oncoming vehicles...

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