Wire barriers TV3 NEWS TONIGHT

[Lteejay]

Count me in for an organised ride as long as it is not disruptive - I agree that we dont want to piss people off as we will get nowhere. We have to put our communities ideas across in a productive way. Good one Jen - nice interview. Lets hope we can change some minds and not have to go through this again.

RIP Back fire. Thoughts with his family.

[MSTRS:Me]

Count me in for an organised ride as long as it is not disruptive - I agree that we dont want to piss people off as we will get nowhere. We have to put our communities ideas across in a productive way.

Yes, a non-disruptive organised ride is a start of visible protest. Should there be no shift in Tranzit's 'attitude' then become more disruptive. Increasingly so. It is all about being taken seriously.

[Pixie]

He may have a point about the "W" barriers. I have seen several that go right to ground level with 2 layers of the W stuff.

How has the concrete barrier option dropped out of that?

I've had a look and can't find any cost comparisons between Wire, single row W, double row W and concrete. Would be good to get that in one place.

There is also another type of barrier,as used on the Mangere bridge / S.H. 20.
It consists of continuous sheet metal box sections,approximately the dimensions of the normal concrete barriers and filled with ballast (fine scoria )

[u4ea]

Pressumably "anonymous" is always checking mirrors before pulling out in front of motorcyclists and using the right hand rule and feels nice and safe in their cage with seat belts and airbags while they say" I never saw you".They probably have no knowledge of the time and money which is poured into fine machinery to keep them as mechanically safe as possible.Probaby doesn't know the research which goes into the best protective riding gear a person can wear.Pressumably like me they never met Daniel but yet put him in a category of menace on our roads.A freind,a brother,nefew,cousin,grandson and son.





R.I.P Daniel

[_Shrek_]

Pressumably "anonymous" is always checking mirrors before pulling out in front of motorcyclists and using the right hand rule and feels nice and safe in their cage with seat belts and airbags while they say" I never saw you".They probably have no knowledge of the time and money which is poured into fine machinery to keep them as mechanically safe as possible.Probaby doesn't know the research which goes into the best protective riding gear a person can wear.Pressumably like me they never met Daniel but yet put him in a category of menace on our roads.A freind,a brother,nefew,cousin,grandson and son.

R.I.P Daniel

he is most likley the who designed the cheese cutters

[xgnr]

What about the Health and Safety in employment issues regarding the Police Bikers?

What have the cops done in regard to mitigating the risk to their staff that ride bikes?

Have they identified these as a serious risk to staff and if not why not?

Just a thought

[Brett]

What about the Health and Safety in employment issues regarding the Police Bikers?

What have the cops done in regard to mitigating the risk to their staff that ride bikes?

Have they identified these as a serious risk to staff and if not why not?

Just a thought

A very interesting thought. Biker cops care to comment??

[Draco]

Okay people, as promised the meeting of senior kb members to start plans in motion has just concluded. The site will be updated tomorrow. Media, motorcycling organisations, MP's & relevant authorities are all being contacted to ensure this does not lose momentum. First details will be released in the morning and will be followed up over the next few days as proposed plans are confirmed, so keep watching. Requests for assistance with specific issues will be posted on the site and PM'd to relevant members with the skills/contacts required. There will be something everyone can do too. As said before keep emailing those MP's etc to keep the pressure on.

[GTVTR]

First ... may I say I didn't know Dan, but do offer my sympathies to his family and friends.

As one of the middle aged, born again (fair weather) riders I have always looked at the wire barriers with fear. I have always been furious that the government can sanction the use of these devices and yet legislate against so many other things that 'may' cause injury in the private sector. We now all pay more ACC levy on our registration to cover injury costs which are more for motorcyclists. Is it just me that sees the irony here ?

At close to 50 I'd have to say that I have NEVER been in a protest in my life (and have never contributed to a blog !) ... but would be proud to join any protest aimed at getting these death traps removed from New Zealand roads.

[WelshWizard]

First ... may I say I didn't know Dan, but do offer my sympathies to his family and friends.

As one of the middle aged, born again (fair weather) riders I have always looked at the wire barriers with fear. I have always been furious that the government can sanction the use of these devices and yet legislate against so many other things that 'may' cause injury in the private sector. We now all pay more ACC levy on our registration to cover injury costs which are more for motorcyclists. Is it just me that sees the irony here ?

At close to 50 I'd have to say that I have NEVER been in a protest in my life (and have never contributed to a blog !) ... but would be proud to join any protest aimed at getting these death traps removed from New Zealand roads.

First thanks for your thoughts of symphathy for my lad Dan.

Second its a very good point you make about the ACC levy , as motorcyclist we pay a very heavy levy compared to Car user.

Third closer to Summer I am sure we will have another protest ride about these WRBs, perhaps Draco, Mom and co would consider a run closer to October 20th as a lot of people will remember Dan was killed on that day, and maybe by then I will be in a position to issue information about the crash that has not been made public, but will prove that what happened to Dan can happen to any rider even if the they are travelling at 70kph,

[MDR2]

Perhaps we could try and get ACC behind the cause? Though, being government (owned) they have to remain impartial to these kinds of things... but safety is at risk so maybe they could have a stance on it. If not anything else but to say, 'we agree with these guys, the cables are a risk.'

[James Deuce]

The Gubbmint mouthpiece at Transit continues to posit the theory that there is no proof that wire rope barriers are any more dangerous to a motorcyclist than a concrete one, despite a recent death in Australia where a motorcyclist was knocked off by someone being stupid and died when he struck the WRB. There is a significant enough body of evidence for several European and Scandinavian countries to place a moratorium on their installation and to make the barriers safer by enclosing them in recycled plastic covers.

I've struck concrete barriers twice and am still here. Dan isn't. From my perspective it's case closed, but the Gubbmint continues to insist that individual lives aren't important.