sportsbikes-useable?

[boomer]

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha!

i'll see you on Sunday

[R6_kid:Me]

There is an article in one of the recent british bike mags about 'space' - or the riders ability to percieve it, this being the main difference between being fast and being a winning racer.

IMO a sportsbike somewhat limits anyones ability to percieve their space, that and the fact that motards *feel* much easier to ride i would agree that I personally am faster on a motard/naked bike than a sportsbike.

[cowpoos]

There is an article in one of the recent british bike mags about 'space' - or the riders ability to percieve it, this being the main difference between being fast and being a winning racer.

IMO a sportsbike somewhat limits anyones ability to percieve their space, that and the fact that motards *feel* much easier to ride i would agree that I personally am faster on a motard/naked bike than a sportsbike.

yeah..I agree...and thats kinda of what I was eluding too.

[Harry the Barstard]

This is all very intersting,

I sold my 05 6RR an got a 05 900 Hornet due to a few speeding issues. The other day i rode the Tahuna road and stoped to look at my tyres in morrinsville to see how the they were scrubbing in, I found i had hit the little michellin man right on the edge of the pilot powers without even knowing it.

Now on my 6RR i had to realy try to scrub that lil bugger, In fact i went out for a ride with the sole purpose to tickle him with some seal.

So it seams un consiously im carving the corners way better on my naked than on the fully faired.

[Pancakes]

I got the naked version of my bike cos it's more comfy being up more but also cos there's more wind at the same speed, more wow for less tickets.

[cowpoos]

This is all very intersting,

I sold my 05 6RR an got a 05 900 Hornet due to a few speeding issues. The other day i rode the Tahuna road and stoped to look at my tyres in morrinsville to see how the they were scrubbing in, I found i had hit the little michellin man right on the edge of the pilot powers without even knowing it.

Now on my 6RR i had to realy try to scrub that lil bugger, In fact i went out for a ride with the sole purpose to tickle him with some seal.

So it seams un consiously im carving the corners way better on my naked than on the fully faired.

ground clearence sounds like the reason most likely.

[Edbear]

I could scrape the pegs on the old GSX600F and now on the C50T it's even easier, but I'd say I'd probably still be slower than most whether I wuz naked or not...

[cowpoos]

I could scrape the pegs on the old GSX600F and now on the C50T it's even easier, but I'd say I'd probably still be slower than most whether I wuz naked or not...

**notices sexual undertones** maybe you should buy a set of the backside-less leather chaps quasi's bringing in for a customer??

[Motu]

It is not a matter of naked versus 'sports'. It is a question of size , power and weight. Other things being equal, a small light bike will be faster through a corner than a bigger heavier one.

I think in the real world of New Zealand back roads a sports bike is at a disadvantage....anything away from the perfect surface has the rider bleating about Councils and contractors.A less hard edged bike copes a lot better....and so is just as fast point to point.

Having ridden the exact same bike with 3 or 4 different capacities - I have to say I was faster and more confidant on the smallest capacity.I was able to push the bike to it's absolute limit (OK,in my mind anyway) by having higher entry,corner and exit speeds,being harder on entry and getting harder on the gas earlier.Point to point most likely faster on the biggest capacity....but I would ride harder all the way on the smaller capacity.Obviously enjoyment for me comes from being able to ride hard without getting into problems caused by power.

[steveb64]

It is not a matter of naked versus 'sports'. It is a question of size , power and weight. Other things being equal, a small light bike will be faster through a corner than a bigger heavier one. It is a matter of physics. And as a given corner has a maximum speed, which will almost always be much less than the top speed of either bike, the only factor remaining is how fast the bike can power out of the corner.If comparing, say a 650 twin with a 1000 four , the extra exit speed of the four may not be enough, if the straights are short enough, to compensate for the faster speed of the smaller lighter bike through the corner. And on a poor surface the need for precise throttle control on the power engine may be an impediment.

But something like an RGV250 would be faster than either of them.

Until the straights get longer. And the 1000 blasts past.

And that's why I LOVE my Ducati. The puny hp rating coupled with nice sticky tyres (which also last longer), means I can get on the gas WAY earlier than the guys on R1's GSXR's etc - and really launch up the shorter straights. The we get to the longer ones, and I wave bye bye to them as they blast back past... Ah well, the longer starights are where the cops like to hang out, so they can catch the tickets...

[clint640]

The thing to realise is that like any bike, sportbikes are a compromise. Motard ergos are undoubtedly the shizz through the twistys, Sportbikes aren't made like that because of aerodynamics & are quite simply not as easy to ride fast around tight corners.

More stable power delivery from a single or twin & longer travel suspension that suits real world NZ roads also make a bike less suitable for most racetracks but much better for dusting Mr 1000RRR on a lap of the Coromandel.

Cheers
Clint

[Chrislost]

I ride a sport bike and the corro that i rode on was fine! didnt see any motards passing me, but that may just be that there were none or that they were all traveling at the speeds the signs said.
on saying that i havnt actually ridden a motard around the coro yet and i was still going around a a few bigger bikes on the hills.

[Supermoto Junkie]

The thing to realise is that like any bike, sportbikes are a compromise. Motard ergos are undoubtedly the shizz through the twistys, Sportbikes aren't made like that because of aerodynamics & are quite simply not as easy to ride fast around tight corners.

More stable power delivery from a single or twin & longer travel suspension that suits real world NZ roads also make a bike less suitable for most racetracks but much better for dusting Mr 1000RRR on a lap of the Coromandel.

Cheers
Clint

My thoughts exactly

[merv]

I think in the real world of New Zealand back roads a sports bike is at a disadvantage....anything away from the perfect surface has the rider bleating about Councils and contractors.

Then there are the gravel roads, no good trying to go fast around corners then when in the foetal tuck.

Being a an old dirt biker from way back even riding my VFR you won't find me bleating about Councils and contractors I'm happy to rely on my eyes (with glasses these days) and read the surface so I guess I don't ride it fast enough then eh!

[DMNTD:Me]

The thing to realise is that like any bike, sportbikes are a compromise. Motard ergos are undoubtedly the shizz through the twistys, Sportbikes aren't made like that because of aerodynamics & are quite simply not as easy to ride fast around tight corners.

More stable power delivery from a single or twin & longer travel suspension that suits real world NZ roads also make a bike less suitable for most racetracks but much better for dusting Mr 1000RRR on a lap of the Coromandel.

Cheers
Clint

I ride a sport bike and the corro that i rode on was fine! didnt see any motards passing me, but that may just be that there were none or that they were all traveling at the speeds the signs said.
on saying that i havnt actually ridden a motard around the coro yet and i was still going around a a few bigger bikes on the hills.

I've currently own and have owned both styles of rides...take my word for it when I say it's a lot easy to not only keep up in the twisties but pass if I so desire whilst riding my SD-R