The amazing Boy Racer Poll!

**Motu** · 15th November 2004, 09:15

Hmmm,a 928? That would have to be one of the most impressive cars I've ever driven,and I get to drive quite a few.I doubt most bikes could get near one driven in anger...

**Devil** · 15th November 2004, 09:20

Originally Posted by TonyB

Ooops, just been looking at some photo's to show you what it looked like, and it wasn't a 944- it was a Morris Oxford, just kidding- it was a 928. I have no idea where these fit into the world of performance cars, perhaps they handle like a Morris Oxford.....which would explain a lot....

Ahh ok, theres a few generations of the 928.
You have a 928, 928S, 928S2, 928S4, and the granddaddy 928GTS.
The first 4 have a 4.7 Litre V8, not a huge amount of power, but good for the day unfortunately most turned up here as automatics (rare to see a manual one on the road!). The GTS has a 5.0 V8, and 300 and something HP with plenty of torque. Great car, still good handling, but doesnt have the 50/50ish weight distribution of the 944 range.

Originally Posted by Motu

Hmmm,a 928? That would have to be one of the most impressive cars I've ever driven,and I get to drive quite a few.I doubt most bikes could get near one driven in anger...

Yer the handlers out of that range are the S4 and GTS (manuals of course). Would love one, the GTS is a beast.

**inlinefour** · 15th November 2004, 10:02

Originally Posted by madcat_

So, when you are on the road (bike or cage) and you see a boy racer, what are your feelings about him/her?

Personly I feel sorry for them, but dislike them at the same time.

So, go ahead, get a load off your chest.

Oh and if you cant go and find a back road where no one is about. For those boy racers that do it in populated areas, nothing a good beatin might fix...

**Sniper** · 15th November 2004, 10:07

Originally Posted by Honda

Oh and if you cant go and find a back road where no one is about. For those boy racers that do it in populated areas, nothing a good beatin might fix...

I havent come across many boy racers. Ok, Blenheim doesnt harbour too many and those that are around have had the same cars for decades and are just retarded.

But to the boy racers all I can say is

You are gay already, why emphsis the fact?

**TonyB** · 15th November 2004, 11:45

Originally Posted by Motu

Hmmm,a 928? That would have to be one of the most impressive cars I've ever driven,and I get to drive quite a few.I doubt most bikes could get near one driven in anger...

I'm starting to wish I'd never mentioned this......

Hell, it happened about 18 months ago, so I honestly couldn't tell you if there were "S's" or whatever on the back. It was dark grey and it had "PORSCHE" in relief across the back. It might have had a little spoiler on the back- can't remember. I do remember looking at the fairly fat feet it had and thinking something like "I'll have him in a straight line but he'll kill me in the corners". We were going up the Chch side of Dyers pass road. Maybe the gradient of the road was enough to make it more of a power issue rather than handling?

**Devil** · 15th November 2004, 11:48

Originally Posted by TonyB

I'm starting to wish I'd never mentioned this......

Hell, it happened about 18 months ago, so I honestly couldn't tell you if there were "S's" or whatever on the back. It was dark grey and it had "PORSCHE" in relief across the back. It might have had a little spoiler on the back- can't remember. I do remember looking at the fairly fat feet it had and thinking something like "I'll have him in a straight line but he'll kill me in the corners". We were going up the Chch side of Dyers pass road. Maybe the gradient of the road was enough to make it more of a power issue rather than handling?

Heh s'ok. I just like my porsches

**Motu** · 15th November 2004, 11:53

Originally Posted by Devil

Ahh ok, theres a few generations of the 928.
You have a 928, 928S, 928S2, 928S4, and the granddaddy 928GTS.
The first 4 have a 4.7 Litre V8, not a huge amount of power, but good for the day unfortunately most turned up here as automatics (rare to see a manual one on the road!). The GST has a 5.0 V8, and 300 and something HP with plenty of torque. Great car, still good handling, but doesnt have the 50/50ish weight distribution of the 944 range.

Yer the handlers out of that range are the S4 and GTS (manuals of course). Would love one, the GTS is a beast.

Yeah,musta been the powerful good handling one I drove - y'know...the kinda car where you think,shit,I'm some fuckin good driver ain't I.Peeling out from the curb and just going sideways smoking both rear tyres and turning that manouver into a turn into a side street,all under control in a car worth as much as a house...something I'd never attempt in a Toyota Starlet,but just comes as natural in these things.

Much as I'd hate to admit it and loose my credibilty on this forum - the average bike rider is able to control their bike pretty well,they can get maybe 60% out of the available performance out of the bike.The driver of the average Ferrari or Lamborgini would be out of their depth at 10% of the cars ability.But I think there would be some deflated egos if they ever came across say Jim Richards in a Porche on a clear road.

**Devil** · 15th November 2004, 12:46

Originally Posted by Motu

Much as I'd hate to admit it and loose my credibilty on this forum - the average bike rider is able to control their bike pretty well,they can get maybe 60% out of the available performance out of the bike.The driver of the average Ferrari or Lamborgini would be out of their depth at 10% of the cars ability.But I think there would be some deflated egos if they ever came across say Jim Richards in a Porche on a clear road.

I feel much happier fanging the car around than the bike.
Caught highlights of the targa tasmania on TV the other day, Jim Richards and some other guy racing their 911 GT2 (yes, he's in a GT2 now!) in the hail, with over 500HP. Id be shitting meself in that weather with something as scary as that going through the rear wheels.

**Sniper** · 15th November 2004, 12:48

Yes, but how many porches do you see being driven in Boy racer style around NZ? I havent seen many. Porche drivers generally know they are better than the rest (Wankers!!

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**Sniper** · 15th November 2004, 12:49

Originally Posted by Devil

I feel much happier fanging the car around than the bike.
Caught highlights of the targa tasmania on TV the other day, Jim Richards and some other guy racing their 911 GT2 (yes, he's in a GT2 now!) in the hail, with over 500HP. Id be shitting meself in that weather with something as scary as that going through the rear wheels.

Still be pretty fun and one hell of an experience. You would be remembered too by the smell you leave behind

**Devil** · 15th November 2004, 12:51

Originally Posted by Sniper_CBR

Yes, but how many porches do you see being driven in Boy racer style around NZ? I havent seen many. Porche drivers generally know they are better than the rest (Wankers!!

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My mate has just had to get rid of his GT2 and lay low from the law for a while I think

When the first 996 Turbo turned up at Big Boys Toys a few years ago, it also happened to turn up at my house the next weekend to pick me up for a blat

They'd lock him up and throw away the key if they witnessed what went on.

Although if there was any super/sports car i could choose to be in while the driver was giving it a hiding, it'd be the 996 turbo. Feel very safe in that car, and ive been in a few supercars.

**Sniper** · 15th November 2004, 13:03

Choice, yea I havent been in one but wouldnt mind a drive in one (Hint hint)

**TonyB** · 15th November 2004, 13:08

Originally Posted by Motu

But I think there would be some deflated egos if they ever came across say Jim Richards in a Porche on a clear road.

I definitely agree with that. I've driven a few fairly decent cars: my old mans 89 Cefiro turbo (don't laugh! it's a surprisingly good car), a workmates 02 WRX, the bosses VT SS, a BA XR8 and the bosses new car, the XR6 turbo. It's hard to say this for certain, as the sensation of driving a car is so different to riding a bike, but if point A and point B were seperated by a good curvy road and the limit wasn't exceeded by more than 30k's- 40k's I'm not sure that I could get there quicker on the bike. 'Survival reactions' always stop me from riding anywhere near the limit, whereas I can take a car to the point of getting out of shape with reasonable confidence.

I reckon we bikers need an event similar to the Targa rally. The only issue would be the pace notes. Maybe a computerised setup using GPS to activate pre-recorded notes? I'd be keen- not quick, but keen anyway!

**Devil** · 15th November 2004, 13:20

Originally Posted by TonyB

'Survival reactions' always stop me from riding anywhere near the limit, whereas I can take a car to the point of getting out of shape with reasonable confidence.

My sentiments exactly. If I botch a little in the car, I get a bit more slide or whatever, if I botch on the bike, I arse off into the scenery.

The grip on the 996 turbo is fecking nuts. Thats one thing I miss on the bike, the sheer lateral G forces.
Ive only been a passenger in these doomy cars, I dont think id have the balls to drive them hard in fear of dinging one!
Have been passenger in:
Porsche 993 Turbo
Porsche 996 Turbo x 2. (Tiptronic and Manual. Manual all the way!)
Skyline R33 GTR (400hp.)
Audi RS4
Audi RS6
Ferrari 550 Maranello (With the gayest exhaust ive ever heard. Sounded like a BMW V12, bubububububububu)
TVR Griffith 500 (Oh god, the noise, the torque, instant wet yourself).
Missed out on 360 spider, and GT2 through slackness

Have driven:
Evo 7 (loved it, pretty harsh, but very sharp).
BMW 850 (CSi V12, bored to 5.8Litre, exhaust, engine management. 450HP approx). That was a straight line machine, shitloads of torque.
And ofcourse the daily driver, '97 VR4 (x2, including my fathers one).

**Motu** · 15th November 2004, 13:26

I'd love that too - but it's been tried before...total carnage,as you'd expect.I said most good riders could get 60% out of their bikes,anymore is no mans land for them.You've seen the quota of KB member spills,imagine letting them loose with no control....except their own ability to pace themselves.Targa has natural terrain,gravel on corners,slips and bumps,all the stuff they like to blame for their spills...nah,it'd be a slaughter house.