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[The Stranger:Me]

Well some 'senior Police' might THINK that.

But a whole lot of us know different.

Sorry but I do not recall the names of those in attendance. I am fairly certain the Ixion would as some of them were apparently quite well known from being quoted on traffic matters in the Herald etc.

I accept what you say about some knowing different, however, I also feel that the govt's position is really self evident i.e. what govt sanctioned or supported driver training is there in existence in NZ?

I really don't consider Defensive Driving in this category, it does not (well didn't when I did it) teach how to drive or control the car, it taught road craft.

The only one I am aware of is RRRS Otago and that is very recent and supported by ACC.

[Chickadee]

Knowing I'm better off for RRRS it would be interesting to know if everyone that attends would say the same. I'm sure the resounding evidence will be totally positively 'F*ck yeah!'

Look forward to seeing the results of the study, and YES you do make a difference. The basic handling test and learners test tells you a small amount of what you actually should know about your bike before you start your riding career. I'm glad you guys were there to share the knowledge!

[Mom]

Driver education was a prominent theme, put forward by many groups, but was strongly resisted by the Police.
Apparently with greater knowledge comes greater speed and as we all know speed kills.

What a bunch of bollocks! I learned to ride the real oldfashioned way, off road, my first lesson, was braking down hill on grass at speed....remember well the feeling of sliding and loss of control, oh and the ground coming up to meet me too! I had to repeat it until I could control it. I could not begin to tell how many times out on the road, I have used what I learned about avoiding the ground coming up to meet me. I always thought the stop was what killed you.

Yep. Me too. That's why I got an XT225 for the missus to blat around the paddock on, and get used to bike going slippy slidey, and other fun dirtbike type things.

Good stuff! Dont forget the road riding stuff too though.

I've already got Carol used to planting foot to get out of trouble in the cage - took a wee while to overcome the conditioning of hitting the brakes, but she's got it pretty good now. A couple of practical examples when I've been driving helped convince her...

Meaney! I learned to drive a car that only went around corners sideways! Those lessons were invaluable.

[davereid]

Meaney! I learned to drive a car that only went around corners sideways!

I still drive a V8 ute that has the same suspension.

[Mom]

I still drive a V8 ute that has the same suspension.

Suspension??????? what is this you speak of???

My AP5 just did not do straight lines, break loose in straight lines too.....bald tyres helped of course, back then I paid $30 week for rent and $20 for petrol.....anyway back to the statistics else we will get in trouble.........Sorry Mr Strange one

[steveb64]

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Good stuff! Dont forget the road riding stuff too though.



Meaney! I learned to drive a car that only went around corners sideways! Those lessons were invaluable.

She's already done a road riding course a few (errr 9 or 10) years ago (after we'd got back from riding around Europe - 14,000 kms in 9 weeks)... IIRC, it was a WIMA organised one (but we can't remember who actually ran it) - as well as some coaching from her brother (Sugilite) on the Rimutakas. Just that she's never had the opportunity to get out on a dirt bike, so as we needed one to chase the lad around on his PW80, and the XT was a reasonable price,.... Now I need to get something for me.
Plus, she IS keen to do another riding course for a refresher, with one of her mates (who's much more a learner) - so if anyone can recommend one? What's this RRRS course? What levels of skill do they cater to?

I learned to drive on metal roads - in a Hillman Imp... so sideways sort of comes natural too. The trick was transitioning from RWD cars, which is all I'd ever had, to FWD or 4WD - where a foot on the gas is what'll get you back on the road after having to do the big dodge... Would have saved a few (most) of those who've gone off the road outside my place. It HAS saved the wife - though she said it was one of the hardest things she's done - hitting the gas, instead of the brakes as her instincts were telling her...

Errrm yeah, right - this was about working out a survey... sorry... got sidetracked with one of my pet peeves...

ERRK - just looked at the top of the forum and spotted some training stuff...

[Patch]

What the hell have you been listening too Noel - keep your chin up, it may be hard and you may not see the results yourself for years, if at all.

Driver training works. period.

You can never have too many skills, and this thought process that if a young person has too many skills that they will speed, drive sideways etc. bullshit. Thats just youth and exuberance. Lack of driver training and driver error causes accidents. Young and/or un-skilled drivers = accident waiting to happen - farkin dangerous.


Why would our political idiots want to up-skill people, they (people) might actually realise what fools (the idiots) really are. Typical NZ, the tall poppy syndrome is well good and alive.


Try not to get discouraged Noel - you do a top job, keep up the good work.