Cheesecutter campaign

[Headbanger]

Imagine if the installation of safety barriers was based on the awesome logic of IL4, we would have land mines on the median strip.

Fuckers would treat them with respect I tell ya, And if they hit em, and complained?, well God damn, They weren't meant to hit them, Must have got their licenses in a weetbix packet. they deserve to get the hell blown up.

[Toaster]

I remember all those things we used to get out of weetbix packets when I was a kid. Ah, nice memory.

Speaking of landmines, a cheese cutter would be close to the same effect of a claymore mine.... shredded biker. Don't tell LTNZ, they may do it to save money... cost/benefit analysis and all that!

[bogan]

Imagine if the installation of safety barriers was based on the awesome logic of IL4, we would have land mines on the median strip.

Fuckers would treat them with respect I tell ya, And if they hit em, and complained?, well God damn, They weren't meant to hit them, Must have got their licenses in a weetbix packet. they deserve to get the hell blown up.

and forget cops doing u turns, they would drive on the other side of the road all the time, in dozers and tanks too, if you can't avoid them you deserve to get squashed, hell why stop at the roads, fail a maths test, killed, late on mortgage repayments, killed, disagree with gubbermint, killed. What a place!

[Kickaha]

, hell why stop at the roads, fail a maths test, killed, late on mortgage repayments, killed, disagree with gubbermint, killed. What a place!

We're not going to kill those who are late with their rates payments though are we?

[bogan]

We're not going to kill those who are late with their rates payments though are we?

hmmm, we'll have to wait to see what IL4 reckons, his plan after all init!

[Urano]

I'm just saying it how it is, your just getting upset. Because the truth goes against your beliefs and what you want.

interesting.
so why all the others countries in the world are not using the wire barriers? i've seen it in qatar and dubai only... but there they have the sand, which could become a decent reason to use it...

That is just it. The barriers may be 'safe' for the majority. But NOT for every type of road user. Not just us. We get guillotined. So do front seat occupants of lowslung cars that go under the wires. The big truck and driver will be fine, but not so those they hit who have a false sense of security.
The barriers need to be as safe as possible for everyone.

and there is another problem which came to my mind as soon as i've seen it: what if a car from the other lane hit the barrier and cut a wire? it snaps on the road, cutting everything it's on range? wise... very wise...



(I know it's not the right topic, but sooner or later someone should explain me what this acc is exactly. i've seen their site. it seemed to a mandatory national insurance. it seems not different from the mandatory third part damage insurance you have to subscribe here in italy. can't understand the point....)

[inlinefour]

thats not how karma works, though maybe this kharma you speak of is something different, ill just add it to the list of other BS you seem to be spouting.


Why bother, your plans would have any idiots kill themselves on the roads with all the hazardous barriers you've added, along with those who have a moments attention lapse, those whos vehicles breakdown and veer out of control, those who hit patches of oil... But hey, we are making the roads safer for those still left alive right?

I think that you need to look at your posts, perhaps when you have calmed down, as your not making much sense. For a start I don't have any plans, nor have I added anything. But as I see that your still bleating about safety, it really does not come as much of a surprise. The problem I have here at this website is that normally in the past, people got it much quicker than you. Now you might be someone special, who is a tad slow, but thats an explanation and not an excuse.

If this is the sort of dribble on display, on a public forum. How on Earth do you think that you have a chance of getting rid of WRB in reality???

Come on, do you expect me to believe that you live in a dream world? Where everyone is safe and no one ever gets killed or wounded? Have you actually been out on the roads lately? Are you aware that even if all the WRB disappeared (which they never will) tomorrow, motorcyclists would still end up getting killed. Or doing stupid shit and ending up killing themself?

The whole point is that is you don't like the risks involved in motorcycling. Stop being such a cock about it and stop riding. No one has forced you to get onto a motorcycle, nor forced you to ride anywhere near a WSB. If your likely to travel a path when there will be WRB near, you could even take a bus, taxi or car. No one has put you in any dangerous situation (as many of you would like to insist that being near a WRB is just that), except for yourself.

Its time that everyone face the facts that is yet to do so. WRB do more good than harm, be it percieved or actual.

Here is another thought. Those who choose to live in bigger cities, where there are proportionally more WRB about. No one is making you live there, go and get a job on a farm in the wops. Then you will no longer have to bleat about them and you would have plenty of great back roads to enjoy riding.

Speaking about being grossly unrealistic. Has anyone thought about the costings involved in removing all the WRB in NZ and replacing them with something else? NZ struggles to keep all its roading up to scratch and there are often plenty of great causes for changing the roads/streets in places. But due to the lack of funding, priorities need to be put in place and places do go without. Would you prefer that all the WRB be removed and replaced? Rather than make it safer for kids to get to schools and other places stop having sub-standard roading? But don't worry about anyone else, as long as you motorcyclists are safe, you can start bleating about how dangerous it is for others too. Although I doubt that would ever happen and your just as likely to start bleating about something else that you percieve a problem, in your own sad exsistance.

Try thinking about others and not just yourselves. As at the moment, bogan and the like, are just a bunch of self centred deluded twats.

and forget cops doing u turns, they would drive on the other side of the road all the time, in dozers and tanks too, if you can't avoid them you deserve to get squashed, hell why stop at the roads, fail a maths test, killed, late on mortgage repayments, killed, disagree with gubbermint, killed. What a place!

Now your resorting to being pathetic, as well as deluded. If anyone here does not like the way that it is in NZ. Please feel free to piss off and never come back.

[bogan]

(I know it's not the right topic, but sooner or later someone should explain me what this acc is exactly. i've seen their site. it seemed to a mandatory national insurance. it seems not different from the mandatory third part damage insurance you have to subscribe here in italy. can't understand the point....)

basically yes, but government run for non-profit (no choice of provider), used to be no risk rating for different user groups, and run on a no-fault basis, so there are no legal battles dragging it out.

I think that you need to look at your posts, perhaps when you have calmed down, as your not making much sense. For a start I don't have any plans, nor have I added anything. But as I see that your still bleating about safety, it really does not come as much of a surprise. The problem I have here at this website is that normally in the past, people got it much quicker than you. Now you might be someone special, who is a tad slow, but thats an explanation and not an excuse.

Clearly I was extending your view to other road users, you think if a biker is stupid enough to hit a WRB he should be killed, why not apply the same for cager, would need landmines or somthing but the theory is the same.

Come on, do you expect me to believe that you live in a dream world? Where everyone is safe and no one ever gets killed or wounded? Have you actually been out on the roads lately? Are you aware that even if all the WRB disappeared (which they never will) tomorrow, motorcyclists would still end up getting killed. Or doing stupid shit and ending up killing themself?

Obviously I just have a more realistic idea of what a dream world is.

The whole point is that is you don't like the risks involved in motorcycling. Stop being such a cock about it and stop riding. No one has forced you to get onto a motorcycle, nor forced you to ride anywhere near a WSB. If your likely to travel a path when there will be WRB near, you could even take a bus, taxi or car. No one has put you in any dangerous situation (as many of you would like to insist that being near a WRB is just that), except for yourself.

Nope, I'm ok with the extra risk on a bike, I'm not ok with the discrimination against bikers.

Here is another thought. Those who choose to live in bigger cities, where there are proportionally more WRB about. No one is making you live there, go and get a job on a farm in the wops. Then you will no longer have to bleat about them and you would have plenty of great back roads to enjoy riding.

I live in palmy, think the nearest WRB is about 100km away, I can see how it endangers other bikers (cos I'm not just a selfish prick who only looks after themselves) and am willing to help.

Speaking about being grossly unrealistic. Has anyone thought about the costings involved in removing all the WRB in NZ and replacing them with something else? NZ struggles to keep all its roading up to scratch and there are often plenty of great causes for changing the roads/streets in places. But due to the lack of funding, priorities need to be put in place and places do go without. Would you prefer that all the WRB be removed and replaced? Rather than make it safer for kids to get to schools and other places stop having sub-standard roading? But don't worry about anyone else, as long as you motorcyclists are safe, you can start bleating about how dangerous it is for others.

Try thinking about others and not just yourselves. As at the moment, bogan and the like, are just a bunch of deluded twats.

bwahahahahaha, now I do need to calm down, the stupidity and irony of that last bit almost had me in hysterics.

[bogan]

edit: double post, looks like It can go over max char count

[inlinefour]

I remember all those things we used to get out of weetbix packets when I was a kid. Ah, nice memory.

Speaking of landmines, a cheese cutter would be close to the same effect of a claymore mine.... shredded biker. Don't tell LTNZ, they may do it to save money... cost/benefit analysis and all that!

OK, lets say that in theory claymore mines was used. Everyone would be aware that they was there and only idiots would actually go anywhere near them. The way that I see it, NZ needs less idiots as it is, let alone KBer and motorcycling. So who is at blame here? It would have to be who ever put the claymores there and the idiots who got too close to them and got wasted. Its not like WRB are hidden out of sight like a claymore now is it.

[Maha]

OK, lets say that in theory claymore mines was used. Everyone would be aware that they was there and only idiots would actually go anywhere near them. The way that I see it, NZ needs less idiots as it is, let alone KBer and motorcycling. So who is at blame here? It would have to be who ever put the claymores there and the idiots who got too close to them and got wasted. Its not like WRB are hidden out of sight like a claymore now is it.

Thats .....were used and were there.

[Kickaha]

Speaking about being grossly unrealistic. Has anyone thought about the costings involved in removing all the WRB in NZ and replacing them with something else? NZ struggles to keep all its roading up to scratch and there are often plenty of great causes for changing the roads/streets in places. But due to the lack of funding, priorities need to be put in place and places do go without. Would you prefer that all the WRB be removed and replaced?

I would have liked them to actually put up a barrier that actually works as it is meant to ,costs less to maintain and actually works like the concrete barriers do, then they would have had more money to spend on those other things you mention

As at the moment, bogan and the like, are just a bunch of self centred deluded twats.

And you're not

It wont matter how many years I wait what you're saying will still be rubbish

Please feel free to piss off and never come back.

Please feel free to follow your own advice

[bogan]

OK, lets say that in theory claymore mines was used. Everyone would be aware that they was there and only idiots would actually go anywhere near them. The way that I see it, NZ needs less idiots as it is, let alone KBer and motorcycling. So who is at blame here? It would have to be who ever put the claymores there and the idiots who got too close to them and got wasted. Its not like WRB are hidden out of sight like a claymore now is it.

see, my example above wasn't very far off what you think!

and as to the lovely rep comment, judging by the amount of petty insults you bring, I think the only one get worked up enough to cry round here is you, I'm just amused a how twisted your logic is.

[p.dath]

Speaking about being grossly unrealistic. Has anyone thought about the costings involved in removing all the WRB in NZ and replacing them with something else?

There have been a couple of studies about this (not just for NZ), bothing involving Monash University. The WRB doesn't need to be removed. They found that added a second guard rail greatly reduce the chance of a motorcyclist gettng wrapped around the posts.

[MSTRS:Me]

...NZ needs less idiots...

Do you really understand irony?
IL - a lot of people here used to have a lot of respect for you. Respect that only intensified (but NOT into pity) after your life-changing accident. In the last few pages of this thread, you've pretty much destroyed all that. Your ridiculous 'I'm all right' attitude simply shows us that you've adopted a cage-bound attitude and have forgotten what it is to ride a bike.
Oh yeah - you tell us that it's risky to ride a bike...we DO know that, you know...but that we are out of line in bleating about something else that can hurt/kill us. That's cager :sarcasm smiley: talk. And don't give us the money argument...we know WRB are cheap(ish). At first. It simply reflects the attiude of TPTB (and you, it seems) that we are expendable in the scheme of things.
We are simply standing up, and saying that we are not. And our choice of transport/recreation does not make us expendable, either.

There have been a couple of studies about this (not just for NZ), bothing involving Monash University. The WRB doesn't need to be removed. They found that added a second guard rail greatly reduce the chance of a motorcyclist gettng wrapped around the posts.

You're thinking of Armco. Cheesecutter needs a complete sleeve, like a narrow upside down U, to cover both the posts and wires.
There is a concrete forming truck in England, a bit like a corn harvester, that straddles the WRB and drives along forming a smooth concrete wall enclosing the WRB in place. The WRB then ends up as re-inforcing inside the concrete. It's cheap to do, it works and we'd be happy.