Cheesecutter campaign

[swbarnett]

"Centennial Highway where a WRWB was fitted, there was not enough room for a concrete barrier" Steven Joyce MOT.

And yet we have a very movable concrete barrier on the Auckland Harbour Bridge Not enough room What a load of twaddle.

Not only that but don't WRMBs require a 3m buffer zone from traffic on either side?

Sounds wide enough for a concrete barrier to me.

[MSTRS:Me]

Not only that but don't WRMBs require a 3m buffer zone from traffic on either side?

Sounds wide enough for a concrete barrier to me.

Some time ago, I read an installation guideline by one of the manufacturers....it stated (if I recall correctly) that a separation of at least 2 metres from traffic was a must. I cannot find that item, despite hours of searching. One of the lies that NZTA spouts is that it always installs to recommended practice. If someone could find that item, I think Mr Joyce would be very interested.

[Genestho]

Hey Guys

Just wondering how this campaign is going?

Is someone still lobbying in this area?
Is there any supportive cited research for alternative barriers?

There could be an opportunity within my lobby group - "Crossroads", to work on median barriers.
There has been a proposal of adoption of policy in this area!

I am now on the consultation list with Ministry of Transport for the Roadsafety strategy to 2020!

If someone could pm me where this at, perhaps you could be put in touch with the proposed spokesperson for safer median barriers. (This will not be me!)

[Ocean1]

Hey Guys

Just wondering how this campaign is going?

I swear prolifically at all the ones in my neighbourhood with religious regularity.

Does that count?

[Mom]

Hey Guys

Just wondering how this campaign is going?

Is someone still lobbying in this area?
Is there any supportive cited research for alternative barriers?

There could be an opportunity within my lobby group - "Crossroads", to work on median barriers.
There has been a proposal of adoption of policy in this area!

I am now on the consultation list with Ministry of Transport for the Roadsafety strategy to 2020!

If someone could pm me where this at, perhaps you could be put in touch with the proposed spokesperson for safer median barriers. (This will not be me!)

Hmmmmmmm, this thing comes and goes, all of us are passionate about the issue, but no structure exists to keep us motivated. I will put my hand up for some contact.

[p.dath]

I'm thinking about making a submission to the Safer Journeys discussion document at the moment.

At one place in the document they mention that 23% of fatalities are because of head on accidents, and 90% of those could be prevented with median barriers.

In their call for comment I might re-inforce the danger to motorcyclists of cheese cutters, as if they do proceed with installing more median bariers then we want to make sure the 90% of peoples lives saved are not at the expense of motorcyclists lives.

[Mudfart]

I live just off state highway between Huntly and Meremere, and those of you who know the area, know that its cheesecutter country the whole length of highway. I also work peculiar hours so I get to see all the retards that drive these roads, and theres more than Ive ever seen, and Ive lived 25 yrs in Auckland!
Firstly, nearly every day, someone has hit the median barrier and wiped out a part of it. This proves it saves lives, consistently.
Second, the govt or LTSA thinks they are saving millions by NOT putting in a concrete median barrier.
I am wondering though, how much concrete would need repairing, replacing compared to the miles and miles of steel wire etc, that they have to replace now? Bearing in mind that truck trailer units are also very guilty of wiping out big lengths of cheesecutter.
Thirdly, people in Waikato are crap on the roads, (maybe its Aucklanders passing through?). I drive 10 mins to work and can count 5 vehicles with only one working headlight,every night, guaranteed. And on twistee bendee corners, cars coming at you into the turns, will come either OVER the centreline or have their tyres on it.
So be careful down here.

[idleidolidyll]

What did this acheive?
Was a single kilometer of cheese cutter barrier removed?

Somehow I doubt it.

IMO these rides are well policed pieces of "feel good": We feel good that we did something but nothing actually happens.

And as long as we merely go for a ride to protest or gather at a car park or allow the cops to usher us about: nothing will change.

We need to get militant and we can do this within the law. How many people do you see getting tickets for doing 70kph on the open road?

Imagine dozens of groups of bikers across the country in bunches of 4 or 6 or 10 or more strung out so cars and trucks can't pass ALL DOING 70kph!

What if we ALWAYS parked our bikes sideways in full size car parks?

Our so called leaders would then get the opportunity to put our case to the media instead of largely being ignored.

If the government is serious about reducing bike accidents they would publish the fact that cars cause 'most' of these, they would sweep the roads after road works and those road works would be required to be up to a standard suitable for single track vehicles as well as cars and trucks.

Going for a ride is just a wee novelty for the public; they and the government will continue to ignoreus until and unless we take real action on the streets.

[swbarnett]

Firstly, nearly every day, someone has hit the median barrier and wiped out a part of it. This proves it saves lives, consistently.

Were you there to see that there actually was opossing traffic at the time? Or how far over the centre line the car would've travelled without the cheese cutter? Damage to the barrier is proof that something hit it - no more.

Second, the govt or LTSA thinks they are saving millions by NOT putting in a concrete median barrier.
I am wondering though, how much concrete would need repairing, replacing compared to the miles and miles of steel wire etc, that they have to replace now?

It has been shown overseas that the long term cost of cheese cutters is higher than that of concrete barriers.

[Mudfart]

Were you there to see that there actually was opossing traffic at the time? Or how far over the centre line the car would've travelled without the cheese cutter? Damage to the barrier is proof that something hit it - no more.

I think if someone is to hit the cheesecutter with such ferocity to rip it apart, and then continue down ripping it up for upto 50-100m, on a state highway, I would guess 1)theres not much chance of something NOT being in the otha lane, and 2)these people either get tangled in the median strip and cant get out again, or shudnt be driving coz they fall asleep, or are on some form of conscience altering "medication". I wud also argue that a truck or cage that goes ova the centreline is unacceptable, for any length of time or distance, fullstop. It is interesting to know that a concrete strip is cheaper though. Begs the big question, doesn't it?

[swbarnett]

It is interesting to know that a concrete strip is cheaper though. Begs the big question, doesn't it?

Cheaper in the long term. Unfortunately TPB only look at the initial outlay.

[rigley]

Hi Everyone,

2nd post, so go easy on me!

I live near the new Ruby Bay bypass by Nelson and interestingly I done a job for an engineer who is working there. We got into a conversation over bikes and he told me they were going to use "cheesecutter wire" for all sections that needed a crash barrier, he raised the issue over safety concerns with the Tasman District Council and even looked into the costs involved for a conventional crash barrier which were negligible. Seems like a no brainer to me with the costs involved to ACC to support one fallen rider who gets injured by such an archaic contraption, maybe never being able to work again for the rest of there lives, assuming they survive that is!

Now this bypass has not been finished yet, anyone know what can be done about it?

Cheers.

[Urano]

WHAT THE HELL ARE THAT?????????? ARE THEY COMPLETELY CRAZY???????????

i can't believe that somewhere in the world somebody thought to put stuff like that in the meaning of "street safety".
we are involved in a similar fight with european administration to make mandatory a new type of guard rail, cause the ones actually installed through our streets are like knives to a biker sliding in to it.
we've achieved a good result last year and bruxelles gave us a good point: now the real problem is to make every single country to adopt the new guardrail.

here our mark: http://www.motociclisti-incolumi.com...lAssassini.png
(i've put the address cause the image is pretty large)

and here a page that talks of it: http://www.motociclisti-incolumi.com...single&ide=280

it's italian but pictures are enough....

please, continue to fight for this: i don't want to ride on a street with that.... that... oohhh... i don't have words...

[inlinefour]

What is wrong with you people? There are plenty of things out there that are more dangerous, than a wire road barrier. If you cannot cope with any of the ones around NZ. Then you either need to leave NZ or stop riding on NZ roads. This is really getting pathetic and some of you should really know better.

[Latte]

What is wrong with you people? There are plenty of things out there that are more dangerous, than a wire road barrier. If you cannot cope with any of the ones around NZ. Then you either need to leave NZ or stop riding on NZ roads. This is really getting pathetic and some of you should really know better.

Reading a lot of your recent posts you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder, or you're bored and trolling. Either way it's getting pretty old. No one is forcing you to read these topics, or even the forum in general ............


........ don't let the door hit you on the way out. Have a nice day.