Cheesecutter campaign

[Hopeful Bastard]

Have you guys seen what has been installed at the Peka Peka passing lanes? What are your views on them? I cant be arsed to go and find it if someone has already posted lol

[inlinefour]

Everybody who operates a vehicle of any sort, on a road, is a 'general road-user'. We are not special, and we are not asking to be treated differently. The complete opposite, actually. The fact is that barriers are installed for 'safety' purposes (what other reason is there) and should work for all.
I hear what you say about farm fences. Yes, going into one of those is not a good thing. However...the difference there is that generally, the fence is quite some way off the road, whereas WRB are often literally within inches of the road edge. And by 'edge', I mean the solid line marking...not the seal edge. Also, I've yet to see a farm fence taking the place of the dotted lane markings.
The other difference is that there are many stories of bikers going through a wire farm fence and surviving... not too many where WRBs are concerned.

You obviously have not done much riding down the backroads of Taranaki. As the fences are close, one lane and at times washouts send you back the way you came. This includes washouts that can be ridden down if your that keen and plenty of places to get stuck. Are you telling me this is solely an issue of those who ride on sealed roads? Sounds like its the riders who are pussies and don't trust themselves enough to ride anywhere half decient. If so its quite possible that these sort of individuals would utterly shit themselves. If they tried riding along, up and down some of the goat tracks that I've been along. If any of this applies then things have got far too polictically correct. That pansies that are best suited to be cagers, are trying to ride motorcycles. Although considering there are alot of riders in Auckland, I can imagine that there are riders who fit the bill.

The whole cheese grater issue is really a non-issue. Especially when its fed by the what ifs and a rider doing a wheelie gone wrong and ending up in the barrier. If you don't have the ability, confidence, skills, knowledge to ride properly and want to thake the risk. Then you are best suited in a cage of some sort, if the perils and possibilities of riding a motorcle bothers you. Which in the end just makes the whole thing a joke and take the piss out of motorcycling.

Anyone who does not understand the above, don't bother replying to it, as I've had enough of idiots making a cock of themself.

[bogan]

Anyone who does not understand the above, don't bother replying to it, as I've had enough of idiots making a cock of themself.

Oh I understand it, but my question to you still remains, why are bikers required to ride within their lanes to survive when car drivers are not?

[Yow Ling]

Oh I understand it, but my question to you still remains, why are bikers required to ride within their lanes to survive when car drivers are not?

A higher standard is required of bike riders as the risks of being severly disabled are much higher, regardless of whether WRBs are installed or not

[p.dath]

You obviously have not done much riding down the backroads of Taranaki. As the fences are close, one lane and at times washouts send you back the way you came.

The safety requirements for roads is usually based on the traffic flow (and hence the probability of a crash increasing). For example, most developed countries require median barriers when the flow exceeds 10,000 vehicles/hour.

I'm not familiar with the roads you speak off, but if the traffic flow is sufficiently low then perhaps the area authority considers it acceptable.

The whole cheese grater issue is really a non-issue. Especially when its fed by the what ifs and a rider doing a wheelie gone wrong and ending up in the barrier. If you don't have the ability, confidence, skills, knowledge to ride properly and want to thake the risk. Then you are best suited in a cage of some sort, if the perils and possibilities of riding a motorcle bothers you. Which in the end just makes the whole thing a joke and take the piss out of motorcycling.

Anyone who does not understand the above, don't bother replying to it, as I've had enough of idiots making a cock of themself.

I don't know if you have read the NHSA and Monash University study already quoted. Probably two of the most famous general road safety research organisations. Anyway you'll find they did a lot of actual crash studies and computer simulations, and on about page 24 you'll find that they discovered that a motorcycle colliding with a wire barrier at any angle at any speed will suffer a serious injury (many of them fatal).
You don't have to be doing a wheelie. There is a very good chance that a glancing impact at more than 60km/h will be fatal. I'm not talking about an acute or head in impact, just a minor glancing impact.

What they found typically happens is the rider ends up under the wire rope barrier, and they get trapped between the motorcycle and a pillar holding up the wire rope barriers. This frequently causes limb dismemberment. If you don't end up getting squashed by the motorcycle you sometimes just get wrapped around the pillar. This breaks whatever part of you that gets wrapped around the pillar. If you suffer two serious limb injuries you'll probably die (refer the Hurt report on fatal motorcycle accident findings). If you main body section wraps around the pillar you'll probably die.

Pretty much the short form is if you impact a wire rope barrier at any angle above 60km/h consider yourself dead. You are lucky otherwise.


Sure, your right, there is a risk to everything. Motorcyclists have to accept this. But some risks are easy to mitigate, and this is one of them.

[RiderInBlack]

You obviously have not done much riding down the backroads of Taranaki.

Don't need to. Can find that up here. Have you riden to Wellington or The motorway North of Dorkland Harbour Bridge where you can find WRB where the dividing line used to be, with no space between the WRB and the lanes

[inlinefour]

Don't need to. Can find that up here. Have you riden to Wellington or The motorway North of Dorkland Harbour Bridge where you can find WRB where the dividing line used to be, with no space between the WRB and the lanes

Best you not go that way. if it scares you. P.dath, thankyou for proving a point. It could be time for you to stop riding. If you have utilise theory and what if, to hide the fact that your scared. We have "WRB" (I like that, less typing) in this part of the country and we are coping with them. So what is everyone else doing wrong?

[MSTRS:Me]

You obviously have not done much riding down the backroads of Taranaki. As the fences are close, one lane ...

The same can be said of any rural road, in any part of the country.
You are being completely disingenuous, talking about farm fences...whether they are dangerous to us, or not, is not in question. The difference is -
They are NOT installed for motorist's safety. Unlike cheesecutters. Or Armco with blades for posts.

[RiderInBlack]

Best you not go that way. if it scares you.

So are you suggesting that because I ride a bike and choose to take some concern for the way those building our roads take little regard for me or my follow bikers, that I should stay in bed or drive a car I'm really start ta think ya trying too get the thread to PD by trolling.

[bogan]

A higher standard is required of bike riders as the risks of being severly disabled are much higher, regardless of whether WRBs are installed or not

yeh but thats inherent in the activity and cannot be avoided, WRBs make it safer for car drivers and more dangerous for bike riders

[nadroj]

Just been made aware of the latest piece of dismembering road furniture...
http://www.csppacific.co.nz/Gallery....ctid=nuguard31 Look at photo #1
Just look at what you are presented with as you slide diagonally off the road into the road safety feature...

Two instances I have come across are new installations on the first bend of the uphill passing lane 1km north of Kai Iwi, and the new Tariki subway. In both instances a small oil / diesel spill is all that would be needed to send a motorcyclist sliding towards these knife edged posts exposed from ground to over 1 metre high.

[MSTRS:Me]

...a small oil / diesel spill is all that would be needed to send a motorcyclist sliding towards these knife edged posts exposed from ground to over 1 metre high.

Which is exactly what happened last Feb, killing one rider, maiming a second and injuring a third. The fourth rider managed to not get injured. That was standard Armco/wooden posts on SH5. I shudder to think what the injury/death rate would have been with these metal knives.

[bogan]

Two instances I have come across are new installations on the first bend of the uphill passing lane 1km north of Kai Iwi, and the new Tariki subway. In both instances a small oil / diesel spill is all that would be needed to send a motorcyclist sliding towards these knife edged posts exposed from ground to over 1 metre high.

was there a big cliff or something just out of frame? seems retarded to put a barrier up on the outside of a corner which looks fairly safe (for lack of a better word)

[MSTRS:Me]

Nadroj's attached photos are clipped from the csp pacific website. Not sure where most of them are, but a couple look like the south side of the Pauatahanui Inlet

[nadroj]

was there a big cliff or something just out of frame? seems retarded to put a barrier up on the outside of a corner which looks fairly safe (for lack of a better word)

From LTSA website:
"NOTES ON THE SPECIFICATION FOR ROAD SAFETY
BARRIER SYSTEMS
1. INTRODUCTION
A road safety barrier is considered to be a hazard and should only be used when the
consequences of hitting it are less than the hazard/object which it is shielding. The
use of a road safety barrier should only be considered as a last resort following an
assessment of whether or not the mitigation of the hazard or object can be achieved
through the application of the principles of clear zoning.
A clear zone is a recovery zone in which a driver may regain the control of an errant
vehicle. The clear zone must be free from hazards or objects and traversable by a
vehicle. Refer to SHGDM, Section 6.6: Clear Zone for more details on clear zone
principles and requirements."