Cheesecutter campaign

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The demonstrative fact is that concrete barriers are proven to be more effective and safer. Which is why people have a preference.

The rest of your post is too stupid for reply. You should just change your user name to "Epic Fail Fuckwit" and be done with it.

The fact is that not riding a motorcycle is safer than riding a motorcycle.

If you have any problem or issue regarding motorcycling, it is recommened that you desist from any form of that activity.

We don't live in a perfect world and issisting on max safety, just goes to show that your probably doing something you shouldn't be. I've ridden a motorcycle with the barriers by my side. I acknowledge they are a risk if hit at high speed, but for a motorcyclist so is everything else.

All we have here is a bunch of people demanding that certian things be changed to their way. Its solely motivated by their percieved best interests and does not accept anyone who disagrees.

If I could, I would be at the Honda dealer, purchasing a new VFR. I would continue to ride along side said barriers and treat them with respect. As well as realise that I have chosen to accept all risk, associated with motorcycling. When your unable to do this, then your the only one with the problem and the solution I would have though is obvious. The thing I really don't understand, is why you all think your entitled to carry on this way. Roading is not any individual's or individuals' property. They have been put there for us to use and this along with riding. Is a privilege and not something that everyone is just entitled to have.

Either use and enjoy it as it is. Or bugger off elsewhere and stop thinking that things must change to suit yourself. There are so many others that use the NZ roads and you lot have decided for them also? Get real, your the only ones with the problem. Everyone else is just doing fine and has none of the issues your identifying here.

[Headbanger]

Either use and enjoy it as it is.

Jesus Christ you post some weak dribble.

No one has to roll over and spread their arse like a weak little bitch just because you say so. Who the fuck wants to live in a world like that? well,apart from you. A man worth his salt stands up to be counted.

And backing it up with long posts where you don't actually say anything worth saying isn't going to change that fact.

[p.dath]

The fact is that not riding a motorcycle is safer than riding a motorcycle.

Haha. A negation argument. You can replace the words "riding a motorcycle" with just about anything else and it will be true - but it says nothing about the safety of the activity.

The fact is that not driving a car is safer than driving a car.
The fact is that not walking is safer than walking.
The fact is that not having sex is safer than having sex.

[swbarnett]

The wire cable barriers are great. They stop vehicles from the other side of the road from ending up in frount of me

Except they don't all the time, there have already been several instances in NZ where vehicles have gone all the way through

Add to this the fact that they are ALWAYS there. Given that you find yourself sliding towards the oncoming lane the probability of hitting the barrier is 100%, the chance of hitting oncoming traffic is considerably lower - expecially in off-peak times.

[MSTRS:Me]

.I acknowledge they are a risk if hit at high speed, but for a motorcyclist so is everything else...

Everyone else is just doing fine and has none of the issues your identifying here.

The speed doesn't even have to be that high, and it's their positioning and proximity that is perhaps the main problem.

I see that you have (little choice, I guess) joined the ranks of "I'm all right, Jack..."

[Headbanger]

Add to this the fact that they are ALWAYS there. Given that you find yourself sliding towards the oncoming lane the probability of hitting the barrier is 100%, the chance of hitting oncoming traffic is considerably lower - expecially in off-peak times.

Which is just another factor in highlighting how ludicrous they are.

Hell, If I installed a barrier at work in the name of safety that actively created a hazard for a portion of the people nearby the situation would be rectified almost immediately and wouldn't be allowed to happen again.

If I tried to justify its installation (or continued use) in the manner that some here have defended Cheese Cutters there would be hell to pay......

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The speed doesn't even have to be that high, and it's their positioning and proximity that is perhaps the main problem.

I see that you have (little choice, I guess) joined the ranks of "I'm all right, Jack..."

Well I will say it yet again. Its your choice to be riding a motorcycle. If you can't live with the wire cable barriers, then its merely your problem. If its that big an issue, go and see a psychologist. But don't think that the world must change to fit in with you and your rather limited views of what roading should be in NZ.

Its fine the way that it is and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Which is just another factor in highlighting how ludicrous they are.

Hell, If I installed a barrier at work in the name of safety that actively created a hazard for a portion of the people nearby the situation would be rectified almost immediately and wouldn't be allowed to happen again.

If I tried to justify its installation (or continued use) in the manner that some here have defended Cheese Cutters there would be hell to pay......

Thank God your not the one doing it. Because looking at some of your posts, it would be half arsed and only work for the minority.

The barriers work and are safe for the majority. You lot making a song and dance about them. Has not change that fact, nor is it likely to.

Haha. A negation argument. You can replace the words "riding a motorcycle" with just about anything else and it will be true - but it says nothing about the safety of the activity.

The fact is that not driving a car is safer than driving a car.
The fact is that not walking is safer than walking.
The fact is that not having sex is safer than having sex.

I would have to say that your post is utter bullshit and stupidity like this does nothing to help the cheese cutter campaign.

Is that what you would say to the PM, if he told you to stop riding if you don't like them?

Or woulf you rant like some do here online at him??? That would be funny! The rest of NZ would feel sorry for John and tell you to just shut up.

[bogan]

Well I will say it yet again. Its your choice to be riding a motorcycle. If you can't live with the wire cable barriers, then its merely your problem. If its that big an issue, go and see a psychologist. But don't think that the world must change to fit in with you and your rather limited views of what roading should be in NZ.

It's your choice to be posting on this site, if you can't live with being shot down every couple of posts, then it's merely your problem. If its that big an issue, go see a psychologist. But don't think that kb will change to fit in with your narrow minded views on what roading should be in NZ.

[MSTRS:Me]

Its fine the way that it is and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.


The barriers work and are safe for the majority.

That is just it. The barriers may be 'safe' for the majority. But NOT for every type of road user. Not just us. We get guillotined. So do front seat occupants of lowslung cars that go under the wires. The big truck and driver will be fine, but not so those they hit who have a false sense of security.

The barriers need to be as safe as possible for everyone.

[Headbanger]

Thank God your not the one doing it. Because looking at some of your posts, it would be half arsed and only work for the minority.

Yeah, Your sharp, The vast majority of the projects I have managed have required barriers. Any and all people and plant in that vicinity had to be taken into account and catered for. The best solution was used. Not the one most likely to fuck people up.

If I applied anything as retarded as your logic I would have been busted down to tea boy.

Ludicrous uninformed bullshit such as yours would destroy any and all credibility if it was applied in the real world.

[Headbanger]

Well I will say it yet again......and again....and again....and again .

Please don't, Your points were shit the first time they were shot to pieces, Your supportive arguments have been illogical, ill conceived, stupid and all over the place like a mad woman's shit, and the only crap more ludicrous has been your bizarre claims at a clarity and logic ability over and above the rest of the planet, while maintaining that you hold the low-ground and the high ground simultaneously.

At this stage I'd say everyone apart from you can see you for what you are.

Infact, I think the Internet is minting an award for you right now.

[steve_t]

Infact, I think the Internet is minting an award for you right now.

Does it have really big hair?

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It's your choice to be posting on this site, if you can't live with being shot down every couple of posts, then it's merely your problem. If its that big an issue, go see a psychologist. But don't think that kb will change to fit in with your narrow minded views on what roading should be in NZ.

You really must live in a dream world. Because your ideas of being "shot down" is purely crap. I don't have any issue(s) and its everyone here who has the narrow mind view(s) of what roading should be, to suit them. I'm the one who is saying things are fine the way that they are and if you have a problem. Go and find someone who gives a toss, because I don't care. Nor am I going to get upset over anything posted over the internet.

That is just it. The barriers may be 'safe' for the majority. But NOT for every type of road user. Not just us. We get guillotined. So do front seat occupants of lowslung cars that go under the wires. The big truck and driver will be fine, but not so those they hit who have a false sense of security.

The barriers need to be as safe as possible for everyone.

There is no such thing as "as safe as possible", as in reality there is always going to be risk. If anyone operating a vehicle does not feel safe enough to be on the road. Then stop operating the vehicle and the issue ceases to exsist. All your doing here is making an issue out of nothing. As the road barriers are perfectly fine, provided no one is dumb enoough to come into contact with one.

I feel that I'm conversing with someone from Jehovas Witness. As all you are doing is saying the same things, which some is based on theory and the worst case senario. You all need to take your head out of the clouds and realise that you have absolutely no say into how roading is done. Your all making a huge thing out of nothing and using an internet forum. All your doing is winding yourselves up and some how you have assumed that its all going to work.

Please by all means go off to who ever it is that you plan to and demand that the WRB be removed and replaced. Personally I don't think you have a shit show in hell of making anything out of it and all you have achieved. Is making a percieved issue, out of something that was not really a problem in the ffirst place.

The problem is that there are alot of motorcyclists who want safety. While doing something that is always going to have risk. So why is it that the roads have to be changed to suit a bunch of motorcyclists? Who don't have enough common sense, to know that they need to manage their own risk or stop riding.

I already know your all completely unrealistic and have a poor grasp of reality and anything you bleat about. Here is a good question, has anyone actually gone and talked to anyone responsible for roading? If what I have read here so far is anything to go on, I seriously doubt it. What I've read here has been speculation and people who would like to think they know what they are discussing. But sadly do not and are only interested in their self preservation, no matter the costs.

Although its already plainly obvious that here no one is interested in being realistic or actually going about what is needed, to make sure your educated enough to know what your discussing. Based on what I've been through since my accident and the amount of $ I'm aware of being spent. I know that there will be alot more. Its a fact that motorcyclists tend to make the biggest mess of themselves and require more input from ACC etc. The truth of the matter is that motorcycle regos should be double their price just based on that. Also bleating on about who caused the accident is just as helpful as arguing about the chicken and the egg debate.

Please tell headbanger I put him on ignore awhile ago and I see that there are plenty of posts here too. I'm guessing he really enjoys the sound of his own voice also.

[bogan]

You really must live in a dream world. Because your ideas of being "shot down" is purely crap. I don't have any issue(s) and its everyone here who has the narrow mind view(s) of what roading should be, to suit them. I'm the one who is saying things are fine the way that they are and if you have a problem. Go and find someone who gives a toss, because I don't care. Nor am I going to get upset over anything posted over the internet.

I do live in a dream world (as in dream awesome, not dream fictional), and I'm going to do my best to keep it that way. You keep saying you don't care, but you keep posting also and narrow minded, wtf, we want something to work for all road users, you want something to work for most, most is narrower that all, so it is you who is narrow-minded. So yeh, shot down again, better luck next time sunshine

[Jonno.]

I don't have any issue(s) and its everyone here who has the narrow mind view(s) of what roading should be, to suit them. I'm the one who is saying things are fine the way that they are and if you have a problem. Go and find someone who gives a toss, because I don't care. Nor am I going to get upset over anything posted over the internet.

You're hilarious.