Cheesecutter campaign

[MSTRS:Me]

"Eat your dinner. Don't you know there's children starving in Africa?"

[inlinefour]

i'm getting in the hope you are really trolling this topic, and this is not what you think truly...

what you just said is incredibly stupid, and please consider this referred to your word only, as i don't know i personally...

the "don't moan, there's someone living in worse conditions than you" is a senseless and blind statement.
what does it mean? here in italy we had people putting pesticides in bread, or altering wine, or involved in falsification of mozzarella: what should we say? "no, it's ok, thing to the poor darfur children, they don't have mozzarella at all. let's eat fake cheese".
there's been cases of houses builded up with sea sand in the cement, so the salt had corroded the steel bars inside and the house fell down with someone below it. "no, it's ok. stop moaning and think to the poor slum guys, they don't have a house at all"
there's been cases of false CE marked helmets, sold in shops. "no, it's ok, think to the poor rider in india they don't wear helmets at all. let's wear a fake one".

i've probably misunderstood what the life is like there in nz, but here i pay taxes and fees to have a certain level of service. i expect streets to have the best possible safety feature, for all of the users. i expect it not to have holes, not to have wrong radius turn, to have horizontal marks in good conditions, and to have safety barriers that actually do the best to safe ALL OF US if something during my ride goes wrong.

sorry pal, but "stop moaning and think at the poor bolivians" http://www.oddee.com/item_96660.aspx is an idiotic statement.

I've just sat down (after sitting in a wheelchair all day and then changed to the lounge chair) and logged into KB. I recieved a self drive van a few weeks back and you wouldn't believe what its done to get me back into life again. I started off here at KBer full bore, swear words and all. I'm stilll amazed at how some people react to it and preach political correctness. Which is exactly what the cheese cutter campaign is. Political correctness gone insane. It is not that long ago that people complained about what was happening in the name of it. Now that KB has it's own PC agenda, things have gone stupid with ideation. Its just I want it my way and I'm not going to listen to anything negative to my common belief here. I've always made it a habbit to apply common sense to life and having my accident has resulted in me having to do that much more. Being disabled is like being back in the military. On the go so much more, just doing the things that didn't take long before. As well as the disabled stuff, that I'm sure most people don't want to know about and usually have no idea. I used to get told we are as busy as we choose to be. I know for a fact, that this is not always the true. I honestly don't know what planet some motorcyclist live on. There has always been multiple hazards to consider when motorcycling. Motorcycling has become so much safer, since I started riding when I was eigth. I've read up on what motorcycling used to be when my Great-Great Grandfather purchased his Harley Davidson. It had a side car and it sounds the the family used it until they purchased a car through necessity. My father says it was the first Harley in NZ. One thing I know is that I don't believe everything that man has said. But he has a picture of them and it. Either way I don't think it matters, but it would explain why I had the urge to ride. Back then it was definitly not as safe riding, as it is now. There has been so much development on motorcycles and everything riders use to do it. The problem has arisen now that rider are expecting that everything around them, become safe also. Its a fact that the risk will remain and its much better a rider get mince up, rather than go across the road and hit a family car. Some motorcyclists here are so insistant that they are so much more important than everyone else on the road. At the moment its the cheese cutter campaign, winge about ACC and moan about the cost of the bike rego. Quite frankly your all a bunch of self indulgent pricks and I make no apology for the use of the P word. Christ and I both know that swear words are part of the English language and no amount of PCness will ever change that. So cry a river and get over yourselves if you don't like any of what I've said. God knows the truth and when you all return back into reality, hopefully you will too.

"Eat your dinner. Don't you know there's children starving in Africa?"

You really don't get it MSTRS, the problem begins when a human begins to get things their way. At some stage of human development it becomes something that is just expected to happen.

I truly do not understand anyonme who rides (or did) not being against these killer fences. Esp when there are safer alternatives that could be used.

That is because your looking at it from just the view of an elite few. Who all decide what they want and do not consider much else. Its much cheaper to do the wire barrier, quicker to install and less people involved doing it. Resulting in minimal man hours needed to do it, less room needed when making a road bigger. Less land needing to be stripped from the original owner and payed for by the Crown. You motorcyclists have no clue about roading costs, whats involved in developing and building roads. My Uncle comes around and talks to me about it. I'm sure he is really happy to have someone actually interested, as it would appear that much of the family really is not.

When you think you know best and do not. Thats when part of the problem starts to occur and you all have had plenty of time to let the whole thing snowball to what it is now.

[Headbanger]

That is because your looking at it from just the view of an elite few. Who all decide what they want and do not consider much else. Its much cheaper to do the wire barrier, quicker to install and less people involved doing it. Resulting in minimal man hours needed to do it, less room needed when making a road bigger. Less land needing to be stripped from the original owner and payed for by the Crown. You motorcyclists have no clue about roading costs, whats involved in developing and building roads. My Uncle comes around and talks to me about it. I'm sure he is really happy to have someone actually interested, as it would appear that much of the family really is not.

When you think you know best and do not. Thats when part of the problem starts to occur and you all have had plenty of time to let the whole thing snowball to what it is now.

Meh, Its already been established with real world costings that wire barriers cost less to install but more to maintain then concrete barriers.

Do you have any real world figures to support your claims? and what the fuck is wrong in your head that makes you want to support a safety barrier that is so much more dangerous to motorcyclist? To save the Government money?, thats our fuckin money, and they sure as hell need to come under scrutiny with what they spend it on.

You don't ride a bike anymore, so by rights its of no concern to you, That has no bearing on how some motorcyclists choose to view the implementation of cheese cutters on our roads.

[MadDuck]

Quite frankly your all a bunch of self indulgent pricks and I make no apology for the use of the P word.

Maybe you should join a motor car forum then?

You motorcyclists have no clue....

So you dont include yourself in this category anymore now you cant ride? But once you could so you had no clue then and still have no clue

[Headbanger]

If you ignore all his condescending and convoluted rubbish his message merely consists of his opinion that if it doesn't concern him then Motorcyclists are fuckwits.

And he has an uncle whose an expert.

[swbarnett]

If you ignore all his condescending and convoluted rubbish his message merely consists of his opinion that if it doesn't concern him then Motorcyclists are fuckwits.

And he has an uncle whose an expert.

Indeed. He goes on about us being all PC. Ignoring completely the PC safety zealots, that he despises so much, that put barriers up in the first place.

[MSTRS:Me]

You really don't get it MSTRS...

I 'get it' just fine. It's you that seems to be having trouble with the odd idea that a safety device should be safe.
Would you be happy to have a big spike fitted to the centre of your steering wheel, pointing back at your chest? Be very safe for anyone not in the driver's seat, and you'd be fine as long as you took extra care not to stop suddenly eh?

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I 'get it' just fine. It's you that seems to be having trouble with the odd idea that a safety device should be safe.
Would you be happy to have a big spike fitted to the centre of your steering wheel, pointing back at your chest? Be very safe for anyone not in the driver's seat, and you'd be fine as long as you took extra care not to stop suddenly eh?

Now your just being absolutely silly, by adding that bit about the spike on the steering wheel. It has absolutely no relevance to the cheese cutter campaign and shows that your just clutching at straws to support your point of view. The wire cable barriers are great. They stop vehicles from the other side of the road from ending up in frount of me and they stop people rather well too. A motorcyclist is far better off being dead, than spending the rest of their lives in extreme pain. I'm sure than many here would blame someone else, if it happened to them. Not only does it put people out of their misery, it also stops the need for ACC to have to spend hideous amounts of money looking after them.

Indeed. He goes on about us being all PC. Ignoring completely the PC safety zealots, that he despises so much, that put barriers up in the first place.

Personally I think the PC safety zealots need to shut up, get over themselves and stop riding a motorcycles full stop. These zealots are nothing but a bunch of self indulgant gits, who believe they have the right to take it all way too far. The reason I ignore it is because its nothing to take seriously. Which you'll all find out soon enough, if you keep on going about it, to who ever it is that has to listen to it all at the end.

All your doing is saying "I want", over something you have no real reason to be asking for it in the first place. The sad and pathetic part, is the fact that your unable or unwilling to realise this. If this is how you carry on online, with mass misinformation about things you know very little about. You'll be picked apart like vultures and left feeling depressed and angry about what happened. But at the end of it all, its yourselves that put yourselves in the situation and it was something you had no right to demand in the first place.

The fact is, if it was something that was ever going to happen, it would be happening by now. No one is going to take any of your dribble seriously and the wire cable barriers will continue to be used. The sooner this realisation happens, the sooner this website can return to what it used to be. As presently, a large part of the forum, is all about bleating and moaning about several different things.

You just don't want to face the facts and your denial of what I'm saying. Is nothing short of a coping strategy that is inappropriate. Its like being back in a psychiatric unit and you lot don't know your the patients. It was exactly the same when I was working there as a staff nurse. But thank you for the free source humour and the excuse to be trolling in the first place. Some of you just bleat about the trolling and ignore what else is said. But thats just another form of inappropriate coping strategy. Against something you don't like or don't want to take seriously.

I'm just saying it how it is, your just getting upset. Because the truth goes against your beliefs and what you want.

[Headbanger]

So cheese cutters are excellent because they kill motorcyclists?

You sir are totally fucked in the head, and you shame yourself.

[onearmedbandit]

[MSTRS:Me]

Now your just being absolutely silly, by adding that bit about the spike on the steering wheel. It has absolutely no relevance to the cheese cutter campaign and shows that your just clutching at straws to support your point of view. The wire cable barriers are great. They stop vehicles from the other side of the road from ending up in frount of me and they stop people rather well too. A motorcyclist is far better off being dead, than spending the rest of their lives in extreme pain. I'm sure than many here would blame someone else, if it happened to them. Not only does it put people out of their misery, it also stops the need for ACC to have to spend hideous amounts of money looking after them.

Not silly at all. It could be considered a safety device, because it'll make you extra careful when driving. Sucks to be you if someone else gives you a shunt. Or your engine siezes. But they'll be fine.
Which is my point. A motorcyclist cannot always control the path they take, and these things just INCREASE the dangers we face.
As far as being happy that bikers are likely to die...that's just sick...a damning insight into your mental state. Get back on (or off, perhaps) your meds...

[swbarnett]

The reason I ignore it is because its nothing to take seriously.

Classic boiling frog.

The fact is, if it was something that was ever going to happen, it would be happening by now.

Ah, but it is. Maybe not in NZ yet, but these things are on the way out in more enlightened countries.

[Kickaha]

The wire cable barriers are great. They stop vehicles from the other side of the road from ending up in frount of me

Except they don't all the time, there have already been several instances in NZ where vehicles have gone all the way through

[inlinefour]

Except they don't all the time, there have already been several instances in NZ where vehicles have gone all the way through

There have been numerous instances of concrete barriers not being effective too, but lets not split hairs. We don't live in a perfect world and if your dumb enough to expect it. Your just going to end up disappointed. There are alot of things considered dangerous, should we ban all of them too?

[Headbanger]

There have been numerous instances of concrete barriers not being effective too, but lets not split hairs. We don't live in a perfect world and if your dumb enough to expect it. Your just going to end up disappointed. There are alot of things considered dangerous, should we ban all of them too?

The demonstrative fact is that concrete barriers are proven to be more effective and safer. Which is why people have a preference.

The rest of your post is too stupid for reply. You should just change your user name to "Epic Fail Fuckwit" and be done with it.