New cheesecutter going up

[Grahameeboy]

The 85% of riders will lose a limb coliding with them at 80% figure would seem to indicate they are sodding dangerous.

But the figures don't mention that the fatalities avoided included a motorcylist.

[imdying]

Yes, I know if I hit one I'm toast... same with tunnel entrances, tourists in camper vans on the wrong side of the road, and stupid bitches in 4wds taking their kids to school. Difference is, none of those other things have saved other lives thus far.

[Grahameeboy]

FFS. It's not barriers per se...it's the type that is the issue. Go have a meeting with a cheesecutter at 75kph and your name will be prophetic....

The thread is about Transit NZ not caring despite the fact that 15 fatalities have been avoided...........the type of barrier is a seperate issue.

I think we forget that we are a minority. I mean what would happen if they designed a barrier that totally protected fatalities amongst motorcylcists but increase dangers to occupants of cars...........

[Mr Merde]

Its the old "head in the sand" attitude.

Until there is an accident involving those who advocate the status quo, or to someone they know, opinions will not change.

I've seen this in other aspects of life and have learnt that there is nothing I can do to alter those views or perceptions.

There has only been one death in this country. Yes, but how many in other countries where these have been utilised.

How many injuries?

[sAsLEX]

So we've got one idiot who falls off and whacks himself, and Chris Lane 'director of Kapiti Emergency Medical Services' telling us that 'it's fantastic' cause he doesn't have to scrape bodies off that piece of road anymore, and has probably prevented 15 casualty accidents they he knows of. 15 to 1 is pretty good odds in favor of the barrier.

Favour of a barrier, not the particular method used here at a guess.


Recent examples in the Auckland MW system have shown the wrb to be ineffective in keeping trucks on the correct side of the road.

Haven't heard of a decent concrete barrier deflecting much.

[Grahameeboy]

Yes, I know if I hit one I'm toast... same with tunnel entrances, tourists in camper vans on the wrong side of the road, and stupid bitches in 4wds taking their kids to school. Difference is, none of those other things have saved other lives thus far.

Good point Sir..................I mean cheescutters are not the only dangers, what about sign posts, lamposts. Hit a lampost and you are likely to be toast.

Top gear showed a car hitting a standad lampost compared with a lampost that breaks on impact and reduces danger.....have you seem any campaigns against highway furniture lately..............

[imdying]

Favour of a barrier, not the particular method used here at a guess.

Recent examples in the Auckland MW system have shown the wrb to be ineffective in keeping trucks on the correct side of the road.

Haven't heard of a decent concrete barrier deflecting much.

Well I guess, given that it is a WRB is in place there, it is 15:1 in favour of the WRB barrier.

I assume truck drivers all speed in Auckland like they do down here? 40 tonnes of truck ain't got stop for anything short of the Berlin wall, so no surprise there.

I'm sure I'd be upset if someone I knew was forced off the road and decapitated by a WRB, but it seems to me that I'm currently 15 times more likely to be praising them for saving me mum from having a head on. Not that mum drives, but you know... For me, that's a good enough reason to put up with having to be extra careful around WRBs.

Some of that plastic covering, assuming it actually makes a difference, would be nice to see that on the new stretch. Maybe that's where the energy of the group would be better focussed.

[MSTRS:Me]

Maybe that's where the energy of the group would be better focussed.

Have you not been taking in ALL the other posts/threads on this subject?
We don't expect cheesecutters to be removed and replaced with concrete...just made safe(r) for us. Same goes for the exposed posts under Armco. And no new ones to be installed that are not concrete

[sAsLEX]

Well I guess, given that it is a WRB is in place there, it is 15:1 in favour of the WRB barrier.

I assume truck drivers all speed in Auckland like they do down here? 40 tonnes of truck ain't got stop for anything short of the Berlin wall, so no surprise there.


Some of that plastic covering, assuming it actually makes a difference, would be nice to see that on the new stretch. Maybe that's where the energy of the group would be better focussed.

40 tonnes of truck has little momentum tangential to its main direction of travel, which is where a continuous barrier excels and straightens the trucks path should it veer slightly off course. The WRB on the other hand "snatches" at the truck should it veer into it and can turn not much sideways velocity into alot as it try to slow the forward momentum of the vehicle down and deflects in to the oncoming lane.

[imdying]

Have you not been taking in ALL the other posts/threads on this subject?
We don't expect cheesecutters to be removed and replaced with concrete...just made safe(r) for us. Same goes for the exposed posts under Armco. And no new ones to be installed that are not concrete

Nope, haven't read them. This country has a finite level of money to spend, I'd rather they spend it on keeping the majority. Preferably not at the expense of people involved in our relatively dangerous fringe sport, but a little I can accept if it means they can spread their dollars further.

*snip blah blah*

Make your point...

[Grahameeboy]

Its the old "head in the sand" attitude.

Until there is an accident involving those who advocate the status quo, or to someone they know, opinions will not change.

I've seen this in other aspects of life and have learnt that there is nothing I can do to alter those views or perceptions.

There has only been one death in this country. Yes, but how many in other countries where these have been utilised.

How many injuries?

You cannot just compare with other Countries who probably have greater volumes of traffic that NZ does.

If there is only 1 death per year, yes it is one too many, however, does it justify saying that Transit NZ don't care.?

[sAsLEX]

Make your point...

Concrete barriers > WRB


As WRB can deflect far into the other lane where other barriers don't.

[koba]

Nope, haven't read them. This country has a finite level of money to spend, I'd rather they spend it on keeping the majority. Preferably not at the expense of people involved in our relatively dangerous fringe sport, but a little I can accept if it means they can spread their dollars further.
Make your point...

Good shit, that is a valid opinion based on a reasonable amount of fact.
I would rather read a bit more myself, and I'm of a divided opinion knowing some WRBs are helpfull but also many are very dangerous but it never hurts to have other opions in the mix!

[MSTRS:Me]

Nope, haven't read them.

Well then...perhaps you'd be wise to. There are many theories/opinions out there and yes, most of ours will be biased towards us. Doesn't change the fact of physics and $ well spent.

[imdying]

Concrete barriers > WRB

As WRB can deflect far into the other lane where other barriers don't.

Yep, as I understand it, that seems to be valid. Your equation unfortunately applies to cost as well

Good shit, that is a valid opinion based on a reasonable amount of fact.
I would rather read a bit more myself, and I'm of a divided opinion knowing some WRBs are helpfull but also many are very dangerous but it never hurts to have other opions in the mix!

For me, every life is equal, motorcyclist or cager, I also accept that there's only so much money allocated for barriers. It would however be nice if we could have a few less barriers to pay for upgrading the new ones with covers (if they're indeed proven to minimize injuries to motorcyclists). Given that every life is equal, the barriers seem to be doing alright... out of the 15 head ons prevented, how many were bikes that would've been on the receiving end? Of course, we'll never know that, but it would seem that it would only take one to even the score thus far.