New cheesecutter going up

[discotex]

Yeah, right... I've got a fiver that says at an 'anti-cheesecutter event', the message out there will be 'cheesecutters are dangerous, get rid of them!' rather than 'cheesecutters are dangerous, make them safer!'.

Check out this flyer... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=59690 Stop the construction of WRBs and increase the safety of other barriers.

I've seen the flyer and agree it doesn't communicate the message clearly. It also doesn't mean the campaign is anti barrier as you lot are implying.

Sure the odd person would like all road furniture removed but the majority agree on a very clear message - that barriers should be made safer for motorcycles while actually preventing head-on collisions (which incorrectly installed WRBs probably don't as they deform).

Of course Transit would prefer that the media see the minority extremist position you seem to believe rather than the more moderate publicly acceptable one promoted by most KB members.

[Paul in NZ]

Can you munters not read?

That's exactly what is being called for.... The retrofitting of WRBs to make them safe... No-one behind this protest is calling for the removal of barriers.

Yes - we can read thanks...

This thread is about ONE section of road where there is already considerable political influence involved. ANYONE trying ANY campaign about this one section of road or even mentioning this one particular section of road will doom your whole campaign to failure as you will get embroiled in all sorts of other issues... However, if you feel like taking 50 years of highly emotive issues on, please be my guest, local politicians have lost their careers trying.

By all means - make the barriers safer, ban them or paint em pink and sell em to a sucker but do not mention this new stretch or you will be buried before you get traction...

Cheers

[MSTRS:Me]

And the use of cheesecutter on this stretch is better than a smooth barrier, why???

[imdying]

I've seen the flyer and agree it doesn't communicate the message clearly. It also doesn't mean the campaign is anti barrier as you lot are implying.

I'm just pointing out that the campaign seems like a disorganised cluster fuck and I don't think that your message is going to get across in the way that the organisers have intended. The people that look after things like WRBs play in a reasonably heavy league (public money, politics, etc), you've gotta be on your game if you want to sway them.

[Paul in NZ]

And the use of cheesecutter on this stretch is better than a smooth barrier, why???

Because it is so narrow and cannot, will not be made wider... A solid barrier cannot be dropped to allow access by emergency services as a wire rope can.

Its not technical to ride and has an 80kph limit.

The MAJOR and REGULAR hazard is distracted drivers crossing the cantre resulting in many many deaths and accidents.

The solution is Transmission Gully and don't hold your breath for that.

This section of road is so political ANY mention of it will set alarm bells ringing everywhere and bring out the dogs of war

[MSTRS:Me]

Because it is so narrow and cannot, will not be made wider... A solid barrier cannot be dropped to allow access by emergency services as a wire rope can.

Its not technical to ride and has an 80kph limit.

The MAJOR and REGULAR hazard is distracted drivers crossing the cantre resulting in many many deaths and accidents.

The solution is Transmission Gully and don't hold your breath for that.

This section of road is so political ANY mention of it will set alarm bells ringing everywhere and bring out the dogs of war

I totally understand the need for a barrier of some sort along here (this is the section from Pukerua Bay to Paekakariki, right?) BUT forgive me if I don't understand...how can the wires be dropped to allow access when they are supported by fixed posts every (2-3m?)

[discotex]

I'm just pointing out that the campaign seems like a disorganised cluster fuck and I don't think that your message is going to get across in the way that the organisers have intended. The people that look after things like WRBs play in a reasonably heavy league (public money, politics, etc), you've gotta be on your game if you want to sway them.

Sure.. So stop being part of the problem and part of the solution. If you think focussing on specific areas is a good idea then by all means point them out.

On the other hand don't diss a bunch of people for whining about something that is a real issue.

Much as I think Erin sole out to Noels she still shows if you stick at it you can change people's minds.

Because it is so narrow and cannot, will not be made wider... A solid barrier cannot be dropped to allow access by emergency services as a wire rope can.

Its not technical to ride and has an 80kph limit.

The MAJOR and REGULAR hazard is distracted drivers crossing the cantre resulting in many many deaths and accidents.

The solution is Transmission Gully and don't hold your breath for that.

This section of road is so political ANY mention of it will set alarm bells ringing everywhere and bring out the dogs of war

Then point that out.. There's no need to rubbish the idea of making WRBs safer as a pile of shit and just whining bikers.

Surely if stopping head-ons is the goal then WRBs will not achieve that anyway. Having seen them operate personally I can attest that they will not stop a head on unless there is at least 2m of verge.

In some ways they can make the situation worse as the car can end up stuck in the middle of the opposing lane rather than sailing on through.

Maybe a sectioned armco with some form of gate in it would be a better idea?

Yes - we can read thanks...

If it came across as an insult I apologise. I'm just over people jumping having not read any of the other threads.

Moaning about everyone wasting their time really doesn't do it for me. Can you tell?

[Paul in NZ]

I'll try to make it plainer....

I'm against wire rope barriers... they give me the shits... I want this protest to do good things BUT I drive this road twice a day and live locally and if you mention it in any protest it will make the job that much harder.. This is the poster child for WRB's.. There is endless CCTV footage of the WRB stopping head ons... The local emergency doc is for it, the firefighters are for it, the local council are for it, Transit paid for it after a trial period... Protest but just don't mention this particular deployment....

[discotex]

I'll try to make it plainer....

I'm against wire rope barriers... they give me the shits... I want this protest to do good things BUT I drive this road twice a day and live locally and if you mention it in any protest it will make the job that much harder.. This is the poster child for WRB's.. There is endless CCTV footage of the WRB stopping head ons... The local emergency doc is for it, the firefighters are for it, the local council are for it, Transit paid for it after a trial period... Protest but just don't mention this particular deployment....

Got you loud and clear and totally agree. There shouldn't need to be mention of specific roads as all kiwis have seen armcos and WRBs and instinctively know they won't be good to hit at speed in a car or not.

I figure getting the country on board to retrofit all barriers to make them safer would be much easier and better for bikes overall rather than stopping a single barrier from being built.