Who's the tosser running from the cops on TV3? (10 November)

[RT527]

All law enforcement boils down to a type of cost - benefit equation. So more serious offences cost the loser more. But they cost the police more to prove, as there is more at stake.

So it comes as no surprise to me, that if the penality is distorted massively - to the point where suspension of the normal rules of innocence till proven guilty etc has occured that some will choose their own ability as a rider as the true judge.

I even confess to doing the maths myself. If just a few klicks fast I will stop. But if going seriously fast, the traffic is a bit heavy, its dark, I've got a good fuel level, and the road is dry... stopping to get a walk home free card would not be my first choice.

Hmmm i could call you an idiot...but well that wont get me far, so ill just tell a little story...On my way home from work last night , around 8 45 pm, heading down a rural road doing the speed limit in my cage....start to round a visible bend in rd and fuck me if there wasnt 2 calfs staring me in the face, so I smacks the anchors on and pull up well short of them....try doing that at 200 clicks on a bike!!!. 15 mins later me and another couple of people had them in a paddock dont know whos but they theres now.

Went straight to the local cops house who was off duty , told him and he put a call in for a patrol to go look at gate and fence as owner wasnt home.

It doesnt matter that this was a rural area, it could be south auckland with 2 5 year olds playing on the road cause their parents are arguing so they go outside for peace and quiet, when along comes someone going like fuck to get away from the fuzz...point is potentially killing or injurying someone doesnt justify your male hormones ability to pursuade you that you are the best rider in the world.
so think carefully please before you give advice to people to do a runner cause you have a full tank, or roads dry etc etc.

It isnt worth it full stop.
Pity we cant have laws like in the USA where its a felony to run from the cops and you get done big time .

[scumdog]

while i do agree, spiking tyres has caused nasty accidents in the past.

But if it only the guy doing the runner and his dip-shit mates who gives a fucK??

[Patrick]

Yeah.... Ok then....

Somehow this generated red...

I quote from Sollyfagboy...

"Get a real job cunt..."

Mummy has ya dinner waiting...

[scumdog]

Get fucked cunt. (I'm on limited time already so why not abuse a fuckhead).

Aren't you meant to be on the 'Masturbation' thread??????

[motorbyclist]

So to get done you have two choices.

1. Stop and face the music. Best choice, but 100% chance of losing licence, bike impoundment and a long walk home.

2. Gas it up.
You might crash. But if you dont let the adreniline pump, you just ride hard, you won't.

deathwish right there. fucking dumbest thing i've heard all month, actually.

It doesnt matter that this was a rural area, it could be south auckland with 2 5 year olds playing on the road cause their parents are arguing so they go outside for peace and quiet, when along comes someone going like fuck to get away from the fuzz...point is potentially killing or injurying someone doesnt justify your male hormones ability to pursuade you that you are the best rider in the world.
so think carefully please before you give advice to people to do a runner cause you have a full tank, or roads dry etc etc.

exactly: if you're so good you won't crash nomatter what, the limit would be at 220 to begin with.

fact is, at over 150, especially in suburbs, you are travelling too fast to react to things crossing the road infront of you. and especially in suburbs, over 100kph, cars will pull out infront of you without realising your excessive speed - they find it difficult to judge bike speed, and you doing upwards of twice the expected speed doesn't help.
then there's the idiots who just plain arent looking nor indicating on their journey across lanes and roundabouts

there's the risk of hitting oil/gravel on a corner

and then tyre puncture or other mechanical failure

PLENTY to go wrong, and you'll be responsible for the lives and property you ruin, insurance ain't covering it, and then you get done for manslaughter or worse.

you may think you're better than rossi, but that doesn't matter. you're on public roads where cars/gravel/pedestrians are all over the show, so treating the road as a race track will only get you killed


how bout you keep your speed under 140? i mean, there's really no reason to go much faster unless you're on a track.

PROTIP: it's a little thing called self-control, followed up by responsibility for ones actions and their consequences

But if it only the guy doing the runner and his dip-shit mates who gives a fucK??

no-one really, but the media goes nuts as the police directly caused the accident - and if the dipshit hits something or someone i think we would care

[Boob Johnson]

Get fucked cunt. (I'm on limited time already so why not abuse a fuckhead).

Limited time? Your coin is running out for interest usage? Or you have a terminal disease?

[spudchucka]

Pity we cant have laws like in the USA where its a felony to run from the cops and you get done big time .

Agree totally. Fleeing from the cops stinks of arrogance and a total lack of concern for anyone else but yourself. Personally I think the offence should have a mandatory jail term.

[davereid]

As always, I was playing a bit of "Devils Advocate" in my comments.

The reality is that the lives of innocent people are always put at risk when people flee the police, and there are no circumstances when that is justifiable.

I was hoping that my comments would provoke a bit of thought as to the motive of those who flee, unfortunately it justed produced a bit of "bash Dave".

To recap.. this time without appearing to be suggesting we all just ignore the disco lights..

IMHO roadside loss of licence and impoundment of vehicles is a massive penalty applied without an assumption of innocence.

In almost all cases the outcome will be the same for the motorist. But the principle that we get a trial before we are penalised is actually at the very heart of our justice system. I don't think it's something we should have given away for something so un-important as "an un-necessary display of acceleration" or a traffic offence that can be sorted by the due application of process.

Note that impaired driving is importantly different here. Issuing a ticket to an impaired driver and then letting him back behind the wheel is not an option !

[Max Preload]

IMHO roadside loss of licence and impoundment of vehicles is a massive penalty applied without an assumption of innocence.

In almost all cases the outcome will be the same for the motorist. But the principle that we get a trial before we are penalised is actually at the very heart of our justice system. I don't think it's something we should have given away for something so un-important as "an un-necessary display of acceleration" or a traffic offence that can be sorted by the due application of process.

Note that impaired driving is importantly different here. Issuing a ticket to an impaired driver and then letting him back behind the wheel is not an option !

I agree wholeheartedly. The draconian penalties for trivial and arbitrary matters is what induces people to run - it's fight or flight instinct. These fairly trivial matters can earn you an instant roadside loss of vehicle and license suspension for 28 days while at the same time actually crashing into another vehicle because you failed to give way at a stop sign earns virtually no discernable punishment whatsoever, often because you can't get a cop to attend (probably too busy having a car impounded for "unneccessary display of acceleration" where no damage was done).

The priorities are all completely fucked up - we can thank the knee jerk reaction government for the situation.

[RT527]

As always, I was playing a bit of "Devils Advocate" in my comments.

The reality is that the lives of innocent people are always put at risk when people flee the police, and there are no circumstances when that is justifiable.

I was hoping that my comments would provoke a bit of thought as to the motive of those who flee, unfortunately it justed produced a bit of "bash Dave".

To recap.. this time without appearing to be suggesting we all just ignore the disco lights..

IMHO roadside loss of licence and impoundment of vehicles is a massive penalty applied without an assumption of innocence.

In almost all cases the outcome will be the same for the motorist. But the principle that we get a trial before we are penalised is actually at the very heart of our justice system. I don't think it's something we should have given away for something so un-important as "an un-necessary display of acceleration" or a traffic offence that can be sorted by the due application of process.

Note that impaired driving is importantly different here. Issuing a ticket to an impaired driver and then letting him back behind the wheel is not an option !

No probs man , its a discussion.I didnt really call you and idiot...Doh there i go again ....Dang it.

[RT527]

I agree wholeheartedly. The draconian penalties for trivial and arbitrary matters is what induces people to run - it's fight or flight instinct. These fairly trivial matters can earn you an instant roadside loss of vehicle and license suspension for 28 days while at the same time actually crashing into another vehicle because you failed to give way at a stop sign earns virtually no discernable punishment whatsoever, often because you can't get a cop to attend (probably too busy having a car impounded for "unneccessary display of acceleration" where no damage was done).

The priorities are all completely fucked up - we can thank the knee jerk reaction government for the situation.

lol its funny that trivial offences only ever affect the ones who do something wrong.

These fairly trivial matters can earn you an instant roadside loss of vehicle and license suspension for 28 days while at the same time actually crashing into another vehicle because you failed to give way at a stop sign earns virtually no discernable punishment whatsoever

Thats because these soughts of accidents will always happen, they are not premeditated as such, just someone who is lacking a great deal of for thought and judgement and or driving skills( doesnt make it right and the book should be thrown at them).

Point is

often because you can't get a cop to attend (probably too busy having a car impounded for "unneccessary display of acceleration" where no damage was done).

This sought of driving and other more "trivial'' offences, again they are not trivial to me because I try not to break the law, my livelyhood and my families relys on my ability to have a licence, Are often premeditated or planned, or Wrong decisions based on adrenilan people know thats its wrong often, and will break the law because of peer pressure, and its no different here on KB, testosterone is a killer!.

[SVboy]

Do we have any fresh info on the runner? Scumdog, any inside info?

[FilthyLuka]

And thats the best answer you can come up with.
The person doing the runner is defineatly at fault , but when th police chase that person and dont back off when it gets out of control then that cop must take a portion of the blame, because simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved , if you cant see that then your a bit fucken simple

Alright, this is just getting fucken stupid. I havent gotten red repped yet so i might aswell start.

That is some of the dumbest bullshit i have heard. Period.

None of the blame lies on the police, what so fucking ever. If the driver pulled his monkey arse over in the first place, no one would get hurt. It's a cops fucking job to uphold the law. This includes (and is not limited to):

1) Hounding down that motherfucker in a stolen car
2) Stopping said motherfucker from running away
3) Arresting aforementioned mother fucker
4) Having the car returned to its rightfull owner.

Sure, no one would get hurt if the cop just backed off, but then again, if you just handed over your wallet to that mugger there's no chance you would get stabbed. If you just went ahead and followed those nice grey uniformed soldiers to the camp, there's little chance they would pull out your golden molars.

And my person favourite: If americans just got out of the middle east, there's little chance their towers would have been blown up... oh wait, that one does kinda make sense

It's not the cops fault if someone is hurt, its the bastard behind the wheel/handle bars. Its that simple...

because simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved , if you cant see that then your a bit fucken simple

And if a cop pulls back then an innocent person's prized car WILL be chopped up, resold and used to fund something unholy

because simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved

And if a cop pulls back, then the person behind the wheel willl continue driving "like he stole it" and probably lose it round a corner and fuck someone up

because simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved

And if a cop backs of, that students car with no insurance on it is gone forever, now little johnny cant get to university and needs to go get a loan for a new car (and it begins)

because simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved

And then every cop start pulling back early, crime increases, people start believing they can just get away with it (see the pun there, ) and our insurance premiums and taxes go up to start paying for all the shit people are breaking.

because simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved

And the cop that was chasing gets demoted for pulling back to early, and seeing as he was emotionally unstable to begin with, kills himself, ala harikiri, due to his shame. (okay, now im just being simple)

if you cant see that then your a bit fucken simple

Better that than be a complicated bastard! in my world 1 + 1 = 2 not 1 + 1 = fuk da popo, dey jus be hatin on ma shit cousin!



So, lets summarize. If you break the law, the cops are going to fuck your arse. If in the midst of this arse fucking avoidance, you break someone or their shit, its your problem. Not the cop who's just doing his job.

[Clivoris]

Would love to know if the turkey got caught yet.

[Sollyboy]

Would love to know if the turkey got caught yet.

Nah that would require good police work and we dont get that in NZ , those cunts were chasing for the fun of it