Who's the tosser running from the cops on TV3? (10 November)

[Boob Johnson]

Nah that would require good police work and we dont get that in NZ , those cunts were chasing for the fun of it

You sir are a fucking moron, class A. You suit your job title well, im to meet someone in your line of work with a higher IQ than his shoe size


It wouldn't matter that NZ has one of the most honest police forces in the world, fuckwits like you would complain if their bum was on fire

[quickbuck]

... with a higher IQ than his shoe size

Umm, tht would be one of the smart ones then?

[RT527]

Nah that would require good police work and we dont get that in NZ , those cunts were chasing for the fun of it

So if i get this right.... your a middle aged Chimp who knocks on peoples doors and says gimmee your stuff ya loser cause you havnt paid anything......I suppose you do that for the fun of it?....

[Sollyboy]

So if i get this right.... your a middle aged Chimp who knocks on peoples doors and says gimmee your stuff ya loser cause you havnt paid anything......I suppose you do that for the fun of it?....

Its easier than welding which is what I used to do , you just have to be ready for all the machette and base ball bat weilding maniacs out there ,business is good there seems to be a record amount of broke cunts out there with cars and washing machines on tick , yeah its fun Id have to say.


As for the rest of this bullshit , If a cop came across a guy with a knife held to a ladys neck and the guy says to the cop do not take one step closer i mean it im serious and the cop knows hes serious and advances and the lady gets her throat cut and dies then whos to blame , and who could have done something about it by not advancing and negotiating even if the negotiating meant the guy with the knife gets away??
I see a car as a dangerous weapon and if its been used dangerously and the only way to stop it being used dangerously is to stop the pursuit then it makes sense to me to stop chasing, then catch the offender some other day then deal to him .
since the tightening of the driving rules and road side suspension for 28 days and the cops being used more as road side tax machines people have been doing more runners ,not necesarily dangerous people but normal people that have been pushed to far , the government and the cops need to reevaluate our human rights like the right to a fair trial before punishment is handed out , I dont believe a cop has the right to take my licence on the side of the road I believe I should have a fair trial and a fair time to prepare for that trial so why the fuck should I stop

[98tls]

And thats the best answer you can come up with.
The person doing the runner is defineatly at fault , but when th police chase that person and dont back off when it gets out of control then that cop must take a portion of the blame, because simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved , if you cant see that then your a bit fucken simple

I must be simple so..........i really need you to explain to me why you think that anyone but the guy there chasing is to take a portion of the blame,if you see someone breaking into your next door neighbours house and you ring the cops which when they arrive causes the guy to do a runner and in doing said runner he impales himself on something(if were lucky)you really want the cops to take a portion of the blame........prove my intuitition is right and say yes,then i will no longer bother reading anymore of your posts,well maybe when your older.

[98tls]

Its easier than welding which is what I used to do , you just have to be ready for all the machette and base ball bat weilding maniacs out there ,business is good there seems to be a record amount of broke cunts out there with cars and washing machines on tick , yeah its fun Id have to say.

Years back because of the way my shifts work i was approached and accepted the offer of a job doing the same,at the time i figured what the hell easy money,that it was but i chucked it away because i found that the guys i was working with were in most cases worse sacks of shit than the sacks of shit they were making a living from,funnily enough most of them were ex security guards etc which in itself reeks of loser,think i would love to be a cop but because ive been a scumbucket all my life this is about as close as i will get,most of em had some very deep lack of self esteem shit going on i guess and the job made em feel better about themselves..who knows.

[motorbyclist]

As for the rest of this bullshit , If a cop came across a guy with a knife held to a ladys neck and the guy says to the cop do not take one step closer i mean it im serious and the cop knows hes serious and advances and the lady gets her throat cut and dies then whos to blame , and who could have done something about it by not advancing and negotiating even if the negotiating meant the guy with the knife gets away??
I see a car as a dangerous weapon and if its been used dangerously and the only way to stop it being used dangerously is to stop the pursuit then it makes sense to me to stop chasing, then catch the offender some other day then deal to him .

ok then, lets say cops were no longer allowed to chase us.

now lets say a cop finds a drunk/racing/speeding/otherwise dangerous driver.
he flashes his lights.
car ignores him.
cop cant do shit, car then crashes, and all of a sudden people are asking why aren't these maniacs on the road stopped!

if the cops aren't allowed to chase cars, then why should they be allowed to chase any criminal? suddenly you can get away with fucking murder cause no-one's going to come after you

beleive it or not, it is not the punishment that discourages crime, but the certainity of your being caught. eg you'll do 60 kph in a 50 zone untill you see a cop car, then suddenly everyone slows to 50


and a hostage situation is quite different to a car, in that there is no negotiation once it's started, and there is lower risk of injury.

[FilthyLuka]

As for the rest of this bullshit , If a cop came across a guy with a knife held to a ladys neck and the guy says to the cop do not take one step closer i mean it im serious and the cop knows hes serious and advances and the lady gets her throat cut and dies then whos to blame

the guy who cut her throat....

[motorbyclist]

fucking taser!

[Sanx]

As much as I hate to admit it, Sollyboy and DaveReid do have a valid point...

The fundamental principle underlying New Zealand's justice system is that you are innocent until proven guilty. With the introduction of mandatory roadside suspensions for trivial offences (for instance, an 'unnecessary display of acceleration'), it's hardly surprising some people run when the blues'n'twos go off behind them.

Just consider, for example, what impact a mandatory 28-day impounding of a car can have on a family. If the main bread-winner loses both his licence and his vehicle, then that could affect his employment. Even if his job didn't directly rely on his ability to drive, not being able to get to and from work due to lack of transport could cause grave difficulty.

Now, should this suspension be imposed by a judge then the guilty party really doesn't have a leg to stand on. However, when the suspension and impounding can be imposed merely because a Police Officer believes on reasonable grounds that a person ... operated the vehicle in a race, or in an unnecessary exhibition of speed or acceleration, on a road (legislation here, scroll down to section 96, paragraph 1A) there's far more grounds for the 'presumed guilty' party to feel aggrieved. There are a number worrying terms in this statement: believes, reasonable grounds, and unnecessary; they're all entirely subjective, and the imposition of a roadside suspension of licence and impounding of the car removes the presumption of innocence to which every New Zealander is guaranteed by the Bill of Rights (section 25, paragraph c).

Now, of course the majority of police pursuits do not result from the pursue-ee having rationally considered all the options, the relevant legislation and so on. No, as one of the resident officers pointed out, the vehicle in which the runner is attempted is often stolen. Or full of drugs. However, in cases where someone thinks they're going to lose their licence and vehicle simply because a cop merely has 'reasonable grounds to believe' they're done something, it's not surprising that some people do run. And no, this is not the Police's fault; it's the government's. They rammed through the Land Transport Amendment Act 2003 (the so-called Boy Racer Act) under urgency to tackle a problem that didn't actually require any additional legislation. And it isn't just boy racer offences that carry a 28 day get-fit-by-walking sentence. Anything more than 40kph over the limit and you're walking instantly. Sure, you can appeal the mandatory suspension, but even if your appeal's succesfull, you still have to wait up to give working days for your appeal to be considered. And then wait a further couple of days for your licence to be posted back out to you.

I'm not trying to say that running's justified; I'm saying that considering the lack of evidence needed to 'convict' someone and impound their vehicle, you can see why some people choose to take a chance and run. Sometimes they get away; usually they don't. Sometimes an accident will happen; usually they don't. But the fact remains that Police chases are dangerous and a significant number of injuries occur during them. I'm not saying this is the Police's fault, but the risk to the public should be considered before embarking on a chase, and as recent events have shown, the Police don't always consider them properly. It's also clear that certain people in authority are concerned about this too; the PCA is conducting a review of the rules governing Police chases, as a result of concerns about the number of deaths and serious injuries that occur during such chases.

[RT527]

Its easier than welding which is what I used to do , you just have to be ready for all the machette and base ball bat weilding maniacs out there ,business is good there seems to be a record amount of broke cunts out there with cars and washing machines on tick , yeah its fun Id have to say.

So by your definition that makes you a cunt...cause your just doing your job Eh?.earlier you said that the cops were chasing for the fun of it.....so what are they supposed to do when dispatched to a speeding motor vehicle say no i wont cause the public will call me a cunt if i do.

Ive said it before I dont give a toss , if your going to break a law then youve done so knowing the responsibilities that lie with that decision.

So if you get caught for sustained loss of traction its no ones fault....but your own.

Look i dont disagree with Some of the things you have said, but i just dont get it when you can sit there and defend crimminal action regardless of how trivial it is, it almost always leads on from a first time offence to multiple offences and gathering severity along the way ...a speeding ticket turns into 30 , a d.i.c turns into careless causing death/injury eventually.

I actually sound a bit biased when i read back over the last posts ive made...prolly cause I know some real good officers in my area that go out of there way for people, we have the mandatory 2 or 3 that are idiots, but over all they just seem to be doing a job which no one else wants to do, and i say thanks to the lot of them.....mind you on that reasoning , we have to have crims too ..else there be nothing for the cops to do.......

hey solly this isnt a go at you personally , i `m sorry if ive sounded like i am.

[MaxB]

As much as I hate to admit it, Sollyboy and DaveReid do have a valid point...

The fundamental principle underlying New Zealand's justice system is that you are innocent until proven guilty. With the introduction of mandatory roadside suspensions for trivial offences (for instance, an 'unnecessary display of acceleration'), it's hardly surprising some people run when the blues'n'twos go off behind them.

Good post.

The cops are not in the wrong for giving chase. Its their job to try and protect the public. It is the ridicluous state of our traffic laws that is to blame. The punishment far outweighs the crime in this case.

As an example, I know of a young local guy who is slowly turning into a crim. A few years back he bought his first car, a Japper sports car that was his pride and joy. He saved his cash for a year beforehand in a shitty job just to be able to afford it and to do the right thing with insurances & rego. Over a 2 year period he picked up minor speeding tickets like a 111 in a 100. But of course he got 20 points a pop. I have to say that he seemed like a careful and considerate driver to me. One night he was pulled up a few minutes after his curfew in a checkpoint 500m from his home. He was the sober driver in his mates car who was too pissed to drive. There was heaps wrong with the car and they threw the book at him.

Due to to a combination of foolishness and poor legal advice he ended up being banned. I guess for three months because we lost contact so it could have been longer. He sold his car to pay back his mate (why?) and lost his job as a result of the ban and moved away.

Now and again I see him at the shops. He is on the benefit, drives a death trap with different coloured and dented panels. And goes at top speed everywhere. And he is an extremely angry young person. I heard he never stops and does a runner every time. Most of the time he escapes. Even if he is caught what does he have left to lose?

To my knowledge he never got offered any advice that would have saved him. Why couldn't we set up traffic schools as an option that would knock 20 or 40 points off your demerits licence but only if you pass it? Make it cost the same as the fines so road users can choose to get back on track and gain more skills.

[Patrick]

Nah that would require good police work and we dont get that in NZ , those cunts were chasing for the fun of it

If a cop came across a guy with a knife held to a ladys neck and the guy says to the cop do not take one step closer i mean it im serious and the cop knows hes serious and advances and the lady gets her throat cut and dies then whos to blame ,

Duh....... the arsehole with the knife?

and who could have done something about it by not advancing and negotiating even if the negotiating meant the guy with the knife gets away??

and the cop does nothing and the arsewipe slits her throat... yeah, I can see the nice friendly headlines now....

I see a car as a dangerous weapon and if its been used dangerously and the only way to stop it being used dangerously is to stop the pursuit then it makes sense to me to stop chasing, then catch the offender some other day then deal to him .

Which is what happens. You hear about the crash that occurs because that is the one and only time in the pursuit that it got dangerous, perhaps??

since the tightening of the driving rules and road side suspension for 28 days and the cops being used more as road side tax machines people have been doing more runners ,not necesarily dangerous people but normal people that have been pushed to far ,
Bwahahahahahahahaha normal people don't run...

the government and the cops need to reevaluate our human rights like the right to a fair trial before punishment is handed out , I dont believe a cop has the right to take my licence on the side of the road I believe I should have a fair trial and a fair time to prepare for that trial so why the fuck should I stop

When your licence is taken, have a read on the back of the document, if you can read, that is... it outlines the appeal process.

With the introduction of mandatory roadside suspensions for trivial offences (for instance, an 'unnecessary display of acceleration'), it's hardly surprising some people run when the blues'n'twos go off behind them.

Just consider, for example, what impact a mandatory 28-day impounding of a car can have on a family. If the main bread-winner loses both his licence and his vehicle, then that could affect his employment. Even if his job didn't directly rely on his ability to drive, not being able to get to and from work due to lack of transport could cause grave difficulty.

Not too many "family men" having their cars taken off them... none in my time... As for not being able to get to work, they know the consequences, but do it anyhow... Choices....

However, when the suspension and impounding can be imposed merely because a Police Officer believes on reasonable grounds that a person ... operated the vehicle in a race, or in an unnecessary exhibition of speed or acceleration, on a road

Police usually see it happen... the general public have had a guts full and wanted the problem stopped. It hasn't worked. Impound followed by immediate crushing of cars might?

However, in cases where someone thinks they're going to lose their licence and vehicle simply because a cop merely has 'reasonable grounds to believe' they're done something, and have just watched them doing the burn out???it's not surprising that some people do run.

I'm not trying to say that running's justified; I'm saying that considering the lack of evidence needed to 'convict' someone and impound their vehicle, you can see why some people choose to take a chance and run. Sometimes they get away; usually they don't. Sometimes an accident will happen; usually they don't. But the fact remains that Police chases are dangerous and a significant number of injuries occur during them. I'm not saying this is the Police's fault, but the risk to the public should be considered before embarking on a chase......

Which is why there is a review going on as we speak...

[judecatmad]

As much as I hate to admit it, Sollyboy and DaveReid do have a valid point...

The fundamental principle underlying New Zealand's justice system is that you are innocent until proven guilty. With the introduction of mandatory roadside suspensions for trivial offences (for instance, an 'unnecessary display of acceleration'), it's hardly surprising some people run when the blues'n'twos go off behind them.

Just consider, for example, what impact a mandatory 28-day impounding of a car can have on a family. If the main bread-winner loses both his licence and his vehicle, then that could affect his employment. Even if his job didn't directly rely on his ability to drive, not being able to get to and from work due to lack of transport could cause grave difficulty.

Good point - the 'innocent until proven guilty' part.

So....instead of taking away the licence and impounding the vehicle, let's do what we do with someone who has, say, just shot and killed someone....that is, take them into custody and hold them until such time as they are allowed out on bail or they go to trial for said offence.

So instead of impounding said vehicle, we 'impound' the driver.

I'd say the consequences of that are actually worse than taking the car away, but if we are to start treating all crimes equally.....

Take away someone's licence to drive and their car, and they still have public transport to get them to their job (in most cases - and if they're rural and don't, or their job requires them to drive, then they were even more of a cock to run in the first place). Said lunatic driver would at least still be there for the care of their family as opposed to banged up in the nick.

The fact that a family's survival may be totally dependent on mum or dad's driving licence should not mean that joe public has to be held to ransom and allow lunatic driving to go unpunished. In fact, if lunatic driver's livelihood (and the feeding of their family) hinges on their driving licence, they're even more of a dickhead than the person who only puts strangers' lives at risk.

[RT527]

Good post.

The cops are not in the wrong for giving chase. Its their job to try and protect the public. It is the ridicluous state of our traffic laws that is to blame. The punishment far outweighs the crime in this case.

As an example, I know of a young local guy who is slowly turning into a crim. A few years back he bought his first car, a Japper sports car that was his pride and joy. He saved his cash for a year beforehand in a shitty job just to be able to afford it and to do the right thing with insurances & rego. Over a 2 year period he picked up minor speeding tickets like a 111 in a 100. But of course he got 20 points a pop. I have to say that he seemed like a careful and considerate driver to me. One night he was pulled up a few minutes after his curfew in a checkpoint 500m from his home. He was the sober driver in his mates car who was too pissed to drive. There was heaps wrong with the car and they threw the book at him.

Due to to a combination of foolishness and poor legal advice he ended up being banned. I guess for three months because we lost contact so it could have been longer. He sold his car to pay back his mate (why?) and lost his job as a result of the ban and moved away.

Now and again I see him at the shops. He is on the benefit, drives a death trap with different coloured and dented panels. And goes at top speed everywhere. And he is an extremely angry young person. I heard he never stops and does a runner every time. Most of the time he escapes. Even if he is caught what does he have left to lose?

To my knowledge he never got offered any advice that would have saved him. Why couldn't we set up traffic schools as an option that would knock 20 or 40 points off your demerits licence but only if you pass it? Make it cost the same as the fines so road users can choose to get back on track and gain more skills.

Bloody good post sir....only thing i can Add or think of is what the hell happened to his family, shouldnt the family be the one to support help and be there for him if he needed it?.

Even if one of my kids..(when the time comes)...steps out of line and has a run in with the law no matter what it is...I`ll be there for each and every one of them.

That sought of love lasts forever...regardless.