Out of the Blue (Aramoana Massacre movie)

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 13th November 2007, 10:11

Originally Posted by Pixie

Not allowed to smoke in the workplace

I could back in 1991 though

**Patrick** · 13th November 2007, 13:00

Originally Posted by peasea

I loved the bit when the pig got shot, that was great.

Why did they stop the journalists from going in? You might have been one of them... real poor form....

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

I can't understand why they let the nutter rove around at night with people still in their houses like that old granny. Why didn't they evacuate the town with an APC or similar - even a bus kitted out A team style with steel sheets over the windows and a loud hailer.

Bwahahahahahahahaha..... Yeah, they are lying around in every back yard.

APC?? Find one working first...

A Team couldn't hit anything. Ever see anyone get shot in that programme?????

**Ixion** · 13th November 2007, 13:37

Originally Posted by SVboy

I think the whole point is , up until that point, and excluding that West coast massacre, no-one thought there was any reason for such an event in "Godsown" and therefore the Police were not trained, or prepared.

Mangatapu murders, 1866.

**jonbuoy** · 13th November 2007, 13:39

Originally Posted by SVboy

I think the whole point is , up until that point, and excluding that West coast massacre, no-one thought there was any reason for such an event in "Godsown" and therefore the Police were not trained, or prepared.

I think thats closer to the truth.

**spudchucka** · 13th November 2007, 14:14

Originally Posted by Ixion

Mangatapu murders, 1866.

Many kiwis are still foolish enough to think that NZ is a utopia where no home grown evil exists.

**JimO** · 13th November 2007, 14:48

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Many kiwis are still foolish enough to think that NZ is a utopia where no home grown evil exists.

they will be the same people who think Tama Iti and his mates were just having a bit of fun

**Skyryder** · 13th November 2007, 19:57

Maori are the first to complain when someone 'pinches' their culture. Saw some on TV tonight dressed like Arabs with the headband thing. What a buch of tosspots and hypocrites.

Skyyrder

**SVboy** · 14th November 2007, 07:55

While we are gong off thread, I think it is interesting that the police action, and subsequent dropping of terrorist charges, has provided a smokescreen and wonderful distraction from the seriously concerning activities that were going on. Tama Iti must be laughing!!

**Patrick** · 14th November 2007, 17:55

Originally Posted by SVboy

While we are gong off thread, I think it is interesting that the police action, and subsequent dropping of terrorist charges, has provided a smokescreen and wonderful distraction from the seriously concerning activities that were going on. Tama Iti must be laughing!!

There never were any "terrorist charges."

"Seriously concerning" is a massive understatement though..........

**DougieNZ** · 15th November 2007, 19:12

Yes,

From my recollections and reading:

This was a tough call for Nick Harvey. But by the time he had the guy lined up he actually wasn't posing a threat to anyone. All his killing had been done by then, so Nick correctly applied the fire orders at the time.

As i recall, an AOS sergeant on arriving at the scene told all staff that they could shoot Gray on sight if he was seen, but this order was contermanded by an Inspector in Dunedin who said that he must be called on to surrender first.

Yes, CPR was performed in an attempt to save his life.

Yes the Gun dealer said "I knew he would do it" after an incident in his shop. He got his 5 minutes of fame, but i really don't think for a moment that anyone could have predicted those events.

One thing that is not mentioned a lot is that there were several angry incidents leading up to the incident between David Gray and various members of the community. Others spoke of him with some fondness. The incidentsw included a rumour/accusation that he was a peeping tom. That's a pretty serious accusatiuon - particularly if you are innocent. I have always wondered if this contributed to tipping him over the edge.

No excuse for what he did though...