Fired/removed

[Quasievil]

DAMN for the life of me I cannot figure out what to have for tea, had fish last night, chicken the night before, I could have like a steak I suppose
yeah thats it .....steak

[nodrog:Me]

its just as well that this thread wasnt started in rant and rave, otherwise nobodys post count would be going up, and thats whats really important isnt it?

[Ixion]

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It's worth remembering too that Kiwi Biker is not a democracy
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This mantra is often repeated as if it were a sufficient justification for anything. The fact that an organisation is not a 'democracy' is neither reason nor justification for it to be arbitrary, autocratic, dictatorial or arcane.

Reference to the history books, or examination of the world about, will disclose many examples of non-democratic organisations that avoid such failings. The example of the administration of Akhbar the Great is perhaps an overly ambitious target, but any administrator (which is what a moderator is) would gain much from consideration of the life and conduct of Todar Mal, to this day a byword for justice,transparency and fairness.

The Heaven Born may wish to examine their conduct in this matter against his standard

Up until now, I have dismissed 99.9% of the whinging about mods out of hand. Because I know they have volunteered to do a shitty, shitty job and dealing with arseholes who have no manners is not easy

This belief has also been promoted until it has become a tenet of KB urban legend, put forward often as a justification for the otherwise unjustifiable

From my own experience I can say that the claim that the moderator's task is an unrelievedly thankless one, and he the target of constant abuse is not correct

In my term as moderator I never once experienced any abuse directed at my as a result of moderator action . Argument, yes, that is to be expected. Abuse, no. On the contrary I often received thanks for what I did, sometimes from the subject of the moderation.

It is a tedious task, since the moderator must wade through many threads that have no personal interest. But it can be a satisfying task. After all, the moderators primary function is to help people . And doing so, why should there be any reaosn for abuse ?

And on the realtively rare occasions when reproof or correction is genuinely required, if this be done in a courteous and open fashion, showing that it is the behaviour being addressed and not an attack on the person, almost everyone will respond graciously.

The very very rare prick who is just aboard to cause trouble seldom requires any action by moderators. The combined condemnation and wrath of the membership can be relied to drop on them from a great height very quickly.

I have never , from either side of the curtain, seen any action by Mr Frosty that I would condemn.

[Kittyhawk]

There is more to life than just the internet.....

Go for a ride and vent steam that way...cos you wont develop your skills on here by ranting.

[Swoop]

its just as well that this thread wasnt started in rant and rave, otherwise nobodys post count would be going up, and thats whats really important isnt it?

I have been wondering how many infractions have been given out for taking this thread off-topic...

[Finn]

Oh dear, it's getting a little frosty in here.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

You are starting to loose the point of this.

1 It appears that one MOD was logging on twice. Ie representing another MOD
2 Two of our MODs are a couple. That's a conflict of interest big time.
3 One of our MODs was sending out very aggressive and all most obscene senture (sp) PMs
4 Frosty was sent a nasty PM. That said he is not welcom here.

And there are other points. This is not just about a hissy fit. I know Frosty is not completely free of blame. I had a stoush with him over a posting I made some time ago. Thats life. He has been moved off the MODs list. It is how it was done and what was said and in what order it was done. Also a conflict of interest. And I know it has been denied but it is clear to some of us that one MOD has been logged on doing the job of two.

That's what this was about. I wish Tony would publish the first PM he got and what happened after he got it and in what order things were done.


Anyway due to a lot of PMs and Emails I recon some changes are going to be made and things will run a lot better.

Come on back Tony. We need you and the Trackdays bonds us as a group.

[howdamnhard]

Sorry to hear you are gone Frosty,you seem to have done a lot for a lot of people.Damn you can never get away from politics.

[MSTRS:Me]

You are starting to loose the point of this.

1 It appears that one MOD was logging on twice. Ie representing another MOD
2 Two of our MODs are a couple. That's a conflict of interest big time.
3 One of our MODs was sending out very aggressive and all most obscene senture (sp) PMs
4 Frosty was sent a nasty PM. That said he is not welcom here.

And there are other points. This is not just about a hissy fit. I know Frosty is not completely free of blame. I had a stoush with him over a posting I made some time ago. Thats life. He has been moved off the MODs list. It is how it was done and what was said and in what order it was done. Also a conflict of interest. And I know it has been denied but it is clear to some of us that one MOD has been logged on doing the job of two.

That's what this was about. I wish Tony would publish the first PM he got and what happened after he got it and in what order things were done.


Anyway due to a lot of PMs and Emails I recon some changes are going to be made and things will run a lot better.

Come on back Tony. We need you and the Trackdays bonds us as a group.

All good and valid points...as someone said earlier (Scumdog?) 'Something smells in MiddleEarth'. Although I have to say that 'secret agendas' are no modopoly (sic). I agree that though things are quietening down, the root cause must still be addressed.

[SPman]

Oh dear!

Sigh..........

Lots of , some , more , a few , intimations of, & .

Me.....

[Scouse]

And as for Mod-bashing, and singling out Joni for special attention, I think that that is just symptomatic of a huge degree of immaturity from some contributors. Joni deserves better.

I have been watching this thread for the last couple of days trying to keep out of if but I have to say that I agree with you Hich especialy on this point, it realy is disapointing to see this thread turn into another Joni bashing session, grow up people. I am also personaly sad for Frosty but hey Frosty like I said to Ixion you dont need to be a Mod to have the respect of the Kiwibiker fratenety you got that for what you do for people not for any percived elevation in the pecking order that being a mod gives you.

[badlieutenant]

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was going to post something generous and nice and long but fuck it.
wat a load of bollocks

[Paul in NZ]

All good and valid points...as someone said earlier (Scumdog?) 'Something smells in MiddleEarth'. Although I have to say that 'secret agendas' are no modopoly (sic). I agree that though things are quietening down, the root cause must still be addressed.

Well you can address it without me - I'm sick of this ..... It eats at your soul and it's not healthy. You are right - something stinks and the rot is in the hearts of a few people - not the mods, not the majority but the few and I can't be arsed with it..... I'm busy - I'm sick and I don't have the energy anymore......

I'll see you folks out on the road one day some place - the trumpy is pretty well um mistakeable and the Guzzi is getting a tickle up. Please make sure you say hi.

Paul n Vicki

[MSTRS:Me]

Well you can address it without me - I'm sick of this ..... It eats at your soul and it's not healthy.

I'll see you folks out on the road one day some place - the trumpy is pretty well um mistakeable and the Guzzi is getting a tickle up. make sure you say hi.

Paul n Vicki

Geez...I hope that doesn't mean you are cutting a track??? This subject is deeply affecting, but I have reached the point where I choose not to let it get me bitter and twisted. However, I am not fooled by re-assurances that all is peachy and above board. The people I choose to associate more closely with on and off KB are great sorts, and I see no reason to not to continue doing so.
A little older, a little wiser, a little more cynical.

[Qkkid]

Dont worry big fella, Im just joshing.

Have to say for the RECORD, I find it completely outrageous that Frosty has been told he is not welcome here anymore, irespective of whatever has gone on in the background between him and the Mods and no matter how the Mod team are trying to justify it ,THAT is disgraceful.
I dont even need to go into the details of what he has done to unite us with his trackdays etc, without which half of us would still be strangers to each other, its guys like Frosty that make KB great, not Mods and the politics !!
i know you have a hard job but Shame on you guys !

It also makes people respect mods by havin ones there that people know and have good repour (spelling error hitch) and have earned it by their actions.
The other point is also people contribute to this site financially and as far as i am concerned there will be no contributions from my household any more. We also put time and effort to make it fun for people so we should have some say i dont exspect the world.