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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Girardin
    It wasn't solely directed at you Paul, but I do think that there is a very aggresive tone that is often unecessary. But we shouldn't get all american and nauseatingly nice either.
    I've met zapf and he doesn't strike me as a whinger or victim.
    And, yes, we do get unreasonable people at work. But I've learnt that you never win an argument with a customer.
    Ah! Lights come on in Pauls head!

    Lou (and Zapf) It's not a 'tone'. Once you meet me you will realise I'm like that 90% of the time. ie a little over the top sometimes... Warren Zevon wrote a song about me, "Exciteable Boy". I'm a bit mediteranean I'm afraid. Full of passion in everything at time, look at the bloody bikes I ride!

    I gets me into trouble but then again it also makes me a fantastically skilled rider and a wonderful lover so it balances out in the end...

    Paul N

    Family motto - Stong opinions loosely held. (you had to be quick witted and tough at our dinner table)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ
    I gets me into trouble but then again it also makes me a fantastically skilled rider and a wonderful lover so it balances out in the end...
    Those opinions are of the loosely held variety then?
    Queiro voya todo Europa con mi moto.... pero no tengo suficiente tiempo o dinero.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundbeltfarm
    hey zaph if you be getting hard top box, what you doing with your piece of trouble bag?
    i couldnt give 2 shits what it does to the exterior of my bike.
    its their for me to ride not look at, because it was hit with the ugly stick at birth. so theres FU%$#all looks going on with my puppy. ( scratch it some more i say)
    let me know.
    Haha Soundbeeltfarm - you are a smart man

    But, to put things in order.... I have told a KB'er that if I don't sell it on trademe then I'll give it to him. If he does not want it then its yours ok.

    Paul N, ah i see. Re your "tone". Ermm yea cause I though you were getting agro as well...

    Ree fyi, I think I am fair. When people are nice I am nice, when people (or business) are mean I am mean. Thats all. Just how I work, kind of a like a mirror for the principle an eye for an eye. unless they don't mean it u know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posh Tourer :P
    So they have lost out. Don't go there anymore, and tell them that you were going to buy a set of panniers from them, but you dont like their service, ie that you think they ought to have shown you how to fit the panniers to prevent damage. Thats enough, and if they know that you arent going back, isnt that enough for you? It is as much of an effect for them as small claims court.
    If enough people think similarly to you, then they'll be forced to change thier standards, but you taking them to small claims certainly wont do it....
    Haveen't done that yet. but its quite mean.... I hate being mean.

    But I might hint it next time when I have my bike with those panniers on.

    In my last few months of research it occured to me that almost every bike equipment shop can supply you with exactly the same thing the other bike equipment shop is selling down the road. So yes, if motormail is to have customers that put importance on service and perference for integrity then they have to take note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posh Tourer :P
    Those opinions are of the loosely held variety then?
    No no. Totally quantifiable. I would not lie about these things... (exagerate maybe but not lie)

    Paul N

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapf
    Haha Soundbeeltfarm - you are a smart man

    But, to put things in order.... I have told a KB'er that if I don't sell it on trademe then I'll give it to him. If he does not want it then its yours ok.

    Paul N, ah i see. Re your "tone". Ermm yea cause I though you were getting agro as well...

    Ree fyi, I think I am fair. When people are nice I am nice, when people (or business) are mean I am mean. Thats all. Just how I work, kind of a like a mirror for the principle an eye for an eye. unless they don't mean it u know....

    cheers mate, let me know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posh Tourer :P
    Not wanting to be picky/smarmy, but these are not bad things that have happened to these people so dont apply to whoever-it-was's argument
    I have no idea what you are talking about and "wot???" is my bestest reply. Did you go for a ride in the weekend? I did. Pillioned someone for the first time too. Didnt fall over. Didnt scratch anything. Wore a gas thingymabob so looked very dweeby but better than sucking more I-hate-the-city shit into lil pink lung things. My bike is still dusty from last weekend's trip up Norf. My security chain is a pain-in-butt to carry around. We didnt lie to the parking building man this morning so I could lock it into a free covered parking space and we still got to park it there. Cool, eh?

    HB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapf
    Have had a nice car dynoed at 244kW @ rear wheels
    I thought kW was for front wheel drives???

    "real" cars (rear wheel drive) use horse power!!!

    now where'd i put my pointy stick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blakamin
    I thought kW was for front wheel drives???

    "real" cars (rear wheel drive) use horse power!!!

    now where'd i put my pointy stick
    But didn't you know?
    A ricer can get 200+ kW at the rear wheels on a front wheel drive.

    Just ask them :eyepoke:

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    A good thread with some opinions from both sides of the fence.

    I agree totally with Paul - just one of life's lessons. If the bag had fallen apart that would be different, but your situation is little bit like buying a tyre and then complaining that it wore out......what's common knowledge to most people isn't always for others - I think motomail can be forgiven in this instance for not providing a disclaimer that read "Warning, this is a strap on seat bag and seat bags will wear on paintwork if not secured with due care and attention"......the sort of attitude that thinks motomail should pay for the damaged paintwork is what is causing society so much pain today - needless OSH rules because 1 person got hurt in 1988 so the other 4 million of us have to abide to signs like "warning, fire will burn".

    We can't be allowd to blame others as an alternative to applying common sense.

    A bit like that boy a year or so ago who climbed into some power lines from a tree and got badly hurt (killed even?) - a tragedy for sure but who got the blame? The power company did which is just stoopid.

    You can lead a horse to water etc...

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    Just a quick note about the advice given so far here

    Do Not use duct tape on yer paintwork ok?

    Some people here learned about that on the Waikato Rally eh?

    There is some nice clear protective tape avaliable, get them.

    You live and learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HanaBelle
    I have no idea what you are talking about and "wot???" is my bestest reply. Did you go for a ride in the weekend? I did. Pillioned someone for the first time too. Didnt fall over. Didnt scratch anything. Wore a gas thingymabob so looked very dweeby but better than sucking more I-hate-the-city shit into lil pink lung things. My bike is still dusty from last weekend's trip up Norf. My security chain is a pain-in-butt to carry around. We didnt lie to the parking building man this morning so I could lock it into a free covered parking space and we still got to park it there. Cool, eh?

    HB
    Funky.....I didn't ride this weekend cos I have exams..... Study + lying in sun thinking about study = no riding time... I went into a Newmarket parking building once by slipping past a barrier... but what I ddint realise is that they pay places were manned at the other end... So I couldnt really slip past... Luckily the guy was nice and wave me through after a car without me having to explain that I'd snuck in and had no ticket....


    Nice change of topic BTW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgyiti
    Just a quick note about the advice given so far here

    Do Not use duct tape on yer paintwork ok?

    Some people here learned about that on the Waikato Rally eh?

    There is some nice clear protective tape avaliable, get them.

    You live and learn.

    Dodgyiti- The Duct Tape Man-
    Never had an issue using Duct tape on bike paintwork. Must be an Italian paintwork thing if you had issues with it.

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    [QUOTE=Zapf]Well here is my problem...

    when to motormail and bought a seat bag for the waikato rally, and during the trip the 4 tie down straps and another part of the bag that hangs over the rear rubbed right thru the rear paint work.

    So what is a fair thing to do?

    A fair thing to do would be to learn from it, have a look at other 'bikes, you'll see paint rubbed off by the lower edge of the seat, you'll see alloy all scuffed where riding boots have been grinding into it when the rider shifts gear, just have a close look on any bike - if there is movement of one surface against another YOU'LL GET WEAR! doesn't matter if it is a seat/bungy-cord/tank-bag, learn to anticipate where you COULD get rubbing while riding and protect the bikes surfaces - use 200mph tape or clear plastic film, hell I've even used a soft rag between my sissy-bar and gear-bag.
    I get ticked off by rub-marks/scratches/paint-chips too but they are a fact of (biking) life.

    Paul has a point, - everybody wants to blame somebody else for their ignorance and/or screw-ups, tht's why all new rifles have some mega-fuggly lettering stamped on the barrel telling you to "read included instructions before using firearm as failure to do so could result in personal injury" WTF!! it's a RIFLE, damn it EVERYBODY knows they hurt when you get it wrong but some people still had a go at the makers 'cos they shot their sorry arse off by mistake!!
    Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
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    Many years back I bought my VFR new in Feb '94. By Easter that year I noticed my leathers had little red marks on them - hmmmm paint I thought, so I immediately fitted "scuffproof" to the tank and side covers and have had no problems since. I I'd left it any longer I am sure I would have worn through the paint. My early bikes had steel tanks and I wore patches on them before "scuffproof" was invented. My later dirt bikes had plastic tanks and were no worry, then I bought the DR250 in '98 with steel tank, so I covered it with "scuffproof" before I used it and have done the same with my wife's DR650 we just bought. My WR has a plastic tank with film already fitted at the factory. Others have talked about the new product "tankslapper".

    The moral of the story is paint isn't very strong, if you are going to rub it, protect it. Experience helps understand this. Use tape if you like, but stuff like "scuffproof" or "tankslapper" is the way to go as it looks a whole lot better.

    Even on my WR for the Pukemanu run I wanted to strap a bag on the back so where the tie down bungys were going to rub even I put tape over the plastic work. See attached pic. Pulled it all off after, looks sweet. Now I'm finally trying to get a rack on it as Ventura are at last doing the brackets for the WR if you believe the ad in Kiwi Rider .

    Not much help telling you this after the event but it is part of the life of biking - you want your bike to look good, you've got to protect it.
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    Cheers

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