Two Smoker Crashed today (29/10/04)

[StoneChucker]

Hey TS
Sorry to hear about the bin, hope you heal up asap. Pity about the engine seizing so soon after it being worked on!

To go back to your clutch point, if an engine seizes, will pulling in the clutch always free up the back wheel? I thought when you pull in the clutch, it disengages the drive mechanism, but the engine still turns over with the rear wheel? I could very well be wrong, since the revs drop down to idle when you pull in the clutch, regardless of what speed you're going, so any suggestions would be great. I thinks it's important to learn from your mistakes / experiences, and even better to learn from other peoples experiences...

Thanks for the story.
Get well soon mate.
Dave.

[toads]

Hey everyone,

Yep i had a crash today, and i consider myself fucking lucky.....

My mate bought a RGV250, and he asked me to get a warrant for him..... I said yep, no worries... and proceeded along George Bolt Drive to see Motu.... all is going well and i wasnt going hard.... crossed onto SH20A and was sittting on about 110-120kmh in the slow lane... mid way through the corner just before SH20 joins SH20A the bike started to lose power, i think ah yep, its low on gas and turn it onto reserve...... i drop it down the gears and im strugleing to keep it at 100kmh (sounds like me on the RG150 lol)

Travelled along for about 200metres in the middle lane now (just before Coronation Road off-ramp) still at about 100kmh when the back wheel locks up.... In split seconds i try to think why it has happened... it can't be my rear brake, i always have my toes on the pegs... no full concentration is going onto controlling the lock up.....

Ahhhhh shit, bike goes sideways and highsides me off at about 80-100kmh (didnt look at the speedo) I watched the bike beneath me (i was about 5-6 feet in the air) and then landed in the fast lane on my elbows (which are now really swollen) i then went into my crash slide (ive done this a few times and came to a stop...

I instantly jumped up and jumped at the median barrier (was only about 1.5 metres away...) checked the traffic, saw it was light (and considered myself fucking lucky no one was close behind) ran to the bike picked it up (pumping on adrenalin) and pushed it up against the median barrier...

A tow truck stopped and a nice lady stopped behind me, while the traffic suddenly increased... the towie and i pushed the bike onto the safety shoulder while waving traffic down... once there, i took my leathers off and checked myself over and found my elbows all bruised... i used the lady's cell phone and rang my mate (whos bike it was) and told him what happened....

So i checked out the bike whislt waiting for him.... Broken indicator, cracked fairings, snapped off the foot peg and gear lever.... but other than that it was pretty damn good for a highside (it was good even by lowside standards)

Leathers are well and truely scrubbed in, and i have now had 7 crashes (a few too many)

The bikes engine had seized and i hadnt pulled the clutch in, thus throwing me off... thats what i did wrong....

So people... ONLY WEAR THE BEST GEAR AND ONLY FULL GEAR!!!!!... also all you two stroke riders, keep 2 fingers on that clutch at all times....I am very thankful that i am relatively unscathed and didnt get taken out by a car, and that the bike isnt too bad (other than the seized engine)..

So be careful out there people, bike crashes can happen anywhere, even when your not caining it...

Cheers for reading my story

oh dear, another bin, why did the engine seize do ya know?, heal soon cheers L

[Two Smoker]

[QUOTE=StoneChucker]

To go back to your clutch point, if an engine seizes, will pulling in the clutch always free up the back wheel? I thought when you pull in the clutch, it disengages the drive mechanism, but the engine still turns over with the rear wheel? I could very well be wrong, since the revs drop down to idle when you pull in the clutch, regardless of what speed you're going, so any suggestions would be great.
QUOTE]
you probably wont have too worry about this on your 4 stroke (except if you do quick rough down changes without matching your revs), but when the clutch is pulled in this allows the back wheel to start spinning again thus slide stops and your back in control... But sadly you only have less than one second to do this

I think it is the crank that has seized the engine because the barrels and pistons have been done just recently....

[sAsLEX]

good to hear your ok dude, and that guy should take his engine back to where it was done they should last a bit longer than that

[Mr Skid]

Bloody 'ell! I thought the biker gods would have got their quota by now.

Glad to hear you've come out of this not too the worse for wear TS.

So people... ONLY WEAR THE BEST GEAR AND ONLY FULL GEAR!!!!!...

Couldn't agree more, sounds like your Nazran 1pc is a good bit of kit, how would you rate it after this experience?

[Posh Tourer :P]

To go back to your clutch point, if an engine seizes, will pulling in the clutch always free up the back wheel? I thought when you pull in the clutch, it disengages the drive mechanism, but the engine still turns over with the rear wheel? I could very well be wrong, since the revs drop down to idle when you pull in the clutch, regardless of what speed you're going, so any suggestions would be great.

Your clutch is situated between the engine and gearbox. Its a series of plates that slip against each other until you let the clutch out and stop pulling the plates apart. So, when you pull it in (plates apart), the engine can turn (or not as the case may be), and the gearbox (connected to the rear wheel via chain/driveshaft) can turn as well, and the plates will slip against each other.

[Jackrat]

Two strokes seizing soon after a rebore or rebuild!!
Yeah,for some reason this can happen,ask me mate whos motor I rebuilt.
Pity you found out the hard way.Glad your ok but.
Take care mate.

[The Pastor]

Yeah my bike ran out of petrol on the north western today :S it drunk $23 worth of petrol to day, I think it's taking the piss. I just slowed and went onto the bus lane and walked for sum gas

[Racey Rider]

As I was reading that TS, I was thinking, Sounds like a seizeing engine, PULL the Clutch in! PULL the Clutch in!

I've had the same happen to me, at the track (lot safer), Without coming off thankfully, as I did pull the clutch in.

Thanks for shareing the experience. Others will learn hopefully.
And I bet it won't happen to you again!
Now you'll know, when it's time to pull the clutch!

To go back to your clutch point, if an engine seizes, will pulling in the clutch always free up the back wheel? I thought when you pull in the clutch, it disengages the drive mechanism, but the engine still turns over with the rear wheel? I could very well be wrong, since the revs drop down to idle when you pull in the clutch, regardless of what speed you're going, so any suggestions would be great. I thinks it's important to learn from your mistakes / experiences, and even better to learn from other peoples experiences...

As engine starts to seizes up, instead of pushing power thru to the back wheel to make it turn, (push you forward), it starts to put the wheel under pressure not to go round. As the motor finally locks up, so does the back wheel, as it is at that point joined to the motor (What the motor does, the wheel does). By pulling in the clutch, you disengage the link between the two. This allows the wheel to continue turning, which helps you regain straight line control, and allows the motor to stop without the pressure created by the back wheel and it's momentum trying to make it turnover still.
That's how I see it.
Hope it's understandable.
Racey.

[Firefight]

hey Chris, just heard, Sudeep just told me, glad your okay mate, sounds like a near thing, can't beat wearing good gear.

I had to do a resuce this afternoon of a KBer from south of Bombay, I guess they will post details if they feel up to it,all I can tell you it was not a bin.

Take it easy mate.

F/F

[StoneChucker]

Thanks Posh and Racey, I thought it was something like that.

Dave.

[Fluffy Cat]

He he,glad to hear you are OK,guess your mum will tell me about it!.What u experienced was a good seize just like the one i had at Puke and thats why i had to go,the bike seized just at the hair pin, so in with the cluch .yeah this is the standard response on a 2t but u can also use it on 4t's as well.Still i luv 2t's they have a bit more soul but i guess u get the shit as well.Hmm think i have seized all my 2t's bar the rs but give me time and some fiddling and yeah i think i can do that to.Good luck give me a shout if you need the zxr set up(i blew mine up good and man when they go they go good).

[Motu]

I saw the Police chopper hovering out our way and thought you might be in the area.I thought my wife was the only one who falls off on a straight piece of road? (2 stroke as well) Damn that was lucky,dumping a bike on the motorway,like being a ten pin in a bowling alley,I reckon you are lucky to have a tale to tell,good on ya!

As Jack says,2 strokes often sieze pistons after a rebuild,the cyls don't heat up even,they distort and the piston has to conform,by force - in the real old days to run in a racing 2 stroke they would run it to seizure,strip and file the high spots,then keep doing it until it no longer siezed (you don't have to lock them up,as you've noticed,you can feel it coming)

Anyway,glad you're still around.

[Two Smoker]

He he,glad to hear you are OK,guess your mum will tell me about it!.What u experienced was a good seize just like the one i had at Puke and thats why i had to go,the bike seized just at the hair pin, so in with the cluch .yeah this is the standard response on a 2t but u can also use it on 4t's as well.Still i luv 2t's they have a bit more soul but i guess u get the shit as well.Hmm think i have seized all my 2t's bar the rs but give me time and some fiddling and yeah i think i can do that to.Good luck give me a shout if you need the zxr set up(i blew mine up good and man when they go they go good).

Cheers Fluffy Cat, will PM you soonish about the ZXR setup.... yeah i was thinking after the crash about when you and hoon were talking about your engine seaizing.... ah well everything is great in hindsight...

Cheers once again everyone for the comments the motor had a reasonable run in before getting a bit of a thrashing (not by me) which was about 700-800kms...

[MikeL]

Congrats Chris on surviving another bin. Considering the circumstances you couldn't have done much better. Another valuable learning experience!
Hope your elbows aren't too sore. I prescribe some appropriate physiotherapy: repeatedly lifting different sized glasses and bottles filled with amber-coloured liquid should do the trick...