Which is faster, f4 or 1098?

**The Pastor** · 29th November 2007, 21:24

Imagine that rossi (or insert hero here) was riding the f4 and then the 1098 around the same track (say taupo).

Which would be faster.

Assume the best models for both bikes.

**jrandom** · 29th November 2007, 21:31

The best of both? That'd be a F4 1078 versus a 1098 R.

I'd expect the MV's additional 20+hp and equally-good handling to overcome its weight disadvantage and bring in the better lap times.

You'll definitely see F4 312Rs running in NZ Superbikes in 2008, but I don't know that you'll see any 1098s. They just won't be competitive.

**EJK** · 29th November 2007, 21:32

Maybe the ten-ninety eight?

**The Pastor** · 29th November 2007, 21:36

its a tough question

how much is the F4 312Rs? I like it how the 312 is the top speed it does

**jrandom** · 29th November 2007, 21:39

Both the current F4 model (312R now, 1078 next year-ish) and the slightly-fruited 1098 models go for around NZ$40K.

**EJK** · 29th November 2007, 21:40

Originally Posted by renegade master

its a tough question

how much is the F4 312Rs? I like it how the 312 is the top speed it does

are you gonna buy one? lol

**boomer** · 29th November 2007, 21:42

they're racing the 1098's competitively in the UK.

as for your question.. fook nose but i'd look good on either

**jrandom** · 29th November 2007, 21:50

A quick Google turned up this thread from kiwifruit's new second-favourite forum.

So, basically, sounds the F4 312R definitely has a slight (edit: or not so slight) performance edge over the 1098 R.

One would expect that the upcoming F4 1078 will stomp on the Ducati even harder in horsepower terms.

**MotoGirl** · 29th November 2007, 21:52

Originally Posted by boomer

as for your question.. fook nose but i'd look good on either

It appears you know how to prioritise

The MV would kick arse, if not by prettiness alone.

**kiwifruit** · 29th November 2007, 21:54

renegade master, just buy the one you like the most after test riding both

from another forum:

1 - The 1098 was built on a budget and all the adjustability was dialed OUT of the chassis. This was in my opinion one of the BEST features of the Ducatis. Adjustable steering heads, seat position, rear sets, and so on.

2 - The 1098 even with the 200cc displacement bump still lags power wise. It doesn't make bad power, but it's still short of the japanese competition and the top end on the bike is STILL asthmatic. While the inline 4s run to 180mph, the Ducati starts to wheeze once it hits 160mph. Maybe it's the gearing or whatever but Ducati need to put out a bike that will hit a true 180mph.

3 - Service issues such as stalling, etc plague early models.

4 - The 1098 is tiny! Riders over 210lbs need not apply.

5 - The 1098 has been criticized for a vague feeling front end and it's lost that Ducati trademark stability. In the past, even though Ducatis were down on power, the stability and feel from both the front and rear translated to faster laps than the Japanese bikes even though there was a 30hp discrepancy on average.

* I guess some of the positives of the 1098 are that yes, it is lighter, yes it does make more power and will get you to 167mph faster than the previous model out of the crate. But that's about it. Also, Riders who could never afford a Ducati can now squeeze out a few extra $$$ to purchase one due to the price drop. (I won't begin to talk about market saturation)

The MV on the other hand is a different story. I mean, even standing next to the bike the word "CHEAP" never comes to mind. I have a F4-1000S so that is what I will be comparing the 1098 too. The MV just feels and looks like a very high quality motorcycle. Styling is subjective though as I feel that Ducati made a step backwards by incorporating the old 1995 exhaust. There is no comparison to the organ pipes of the MV. Even after all these years.

My MV has never stalled or experienced any electrical problems. The only issue I have with my MV is the cheap azz battery that comes with the bike that demands a trickle charger at all times otherwise it won't start on that Sunday morning you decide to pull it out.

The 1098 beats my MV in the braking dept BUT the MV's stoppers provide adequate stopping power. Some aftermarket pads go a long way. I rode my friend's F4-1000R and I noticed minimal difference in 'feel' between the radial brakes of the R and the non radial brakes of the S.

Chassis for chassis, I prefer the 999 chassis over the MVs but I'm biased as I have more seat time on the bike. But all of the reports are showing that although flickable, the 1098 does not inspire confidence in it's riders. The MV on the other hand has a Masterbike championship, competitive showings in comparos since it's introduction, AND the fastest lap in the Roadracingworld comparo. Minus a couple more horsepower with each additional model, the bike is essentially unchanged chassis-wise.

Resale - No comparison. 1098s and soon 848s will be at every bike night and bike function due to the masses jumping ship. This will in turn bring down the resale. MVs on the other hand will always be rare items. Even if they are a little Barbie & Ken-ish these days with all these BS body kits and 'special' editions. lol

Power for Power. The MV walks away from the 1098 (or any ducati for that matter) every time. The MV despite it's weight is just as good of a handler if not better than the 1098. The MV's electric anti-engine braking system actually offsets it's own weight disadvantages on corner entries that the 1098 might have by going in deep on the brakes. Therefore similar corner entries are evident along with similar corner speed. But, the MV runs the 1098 down on any straight and gives it a bloody nose in the process.

This post is not a rag on the 1098 but an acknowledgment that the 1098 is still EARLY in it's development stages and will need a lot more refinement to get the maximum potential out of the package.

As far as 2-up goes, I was surpised at how comfortable I was with a passenger on the MV. I don't think it can get any better for a hi-performance sportbike. I will admit though that I have never ridden a passenger on a 1098 but then again it's not rocket science as I wasn't even comfortable with my own weight on the 1098.

Dollar for dollar, a used MV F4-1000S at $16,500 is a much better buy than a new 1098/1098S. In fact it would take Ducati's new 1098R to match the performance of the Japanese inline fours and the MV F41000 S/R/312.

So in a nutshell, here is how I rate the two bikes (Yeah, I know, I'm no expert)

Street/Track Day pace

Handling - MV wins
Acceleration - MV wins
Braking - 1098 wins
Corner entries - Tie
Mid Corner - 1098 wins
Corner exits - 1098 wins
Top end - MV wins
Exclusivity - MV wins
Resale - MV wins
Service - Tie
2 up - MV wins
Power to Weight - 1098 wins

MV - 8
1098 - 6

**boomer** · 29th November 2007, 21:59

i rode the 1098 S last week and plan on riding teh F4 1000 this weekend... watch out for my report and a quick guide to LOOKING GOOD !

**Pancakes** · 29th November 2007, 22:16

Originally Posted by kiwifruit

....................Dollar for dollar, a used MV F4-1000S at $16,500 is a much better buy than a new 1098/1098S....................

Holy crap! I love the MV's and will own one one day. That is cheaper than what I thought tho, that day may be closer than I thought!

**kiwifruit** · 29th November 2007, 22:19

Originally Posted by Pancakes

Holy crap! I love the MV's and will own one one day. That is cheaper than what I thought tho, that day may be closer than I thought!

thats USD or something
16 would get you a wrecked one maybe

**unhingedlizard** · 29th November 2007, 22:33

the half the price GSXR1000.

HAHAHAHA. god i'm an ass.

Seriously though I wouldnt complain about either. And I would imagine even with Rossi on board lap times would simply be a matter of settings and have comfortable he would feel with either bike.

Its nice that, unlike the car world, the pinical of motorcycle desires doesnt cost the same as a nice house in auckland.