When is the VFR1000 going hit our stores

[pritch]

Honda 2nd in the SBK

Ummm Really? I know Toseland's bike was green but...
Actually, Honda won both the Superbikes and the Supersport in 2007.
Not that I'm biased

[The Pastor]

I saw sanx's cbr1000. Its for sale now. I want it so bad.


Honda make very good bikes, but wouldnt the RC211V or RC212v type bike like rock the motorcycle world?

4 cylinders? nah I think i'll have 5.

Now imagine a 5 cylinder 250

[huck farley]

Ahem!! Exactly! Hehe You shouldn't point your gun at your foot my friend! LOL



AS usuall the're HONDA BASHING!

No ones bashing Honda as far as I can tell. Me thinks it is a very orderly and healthy debate. Yes we all know the results of Super bike and Moto GP but please we are talking Honda road bikes on this thread not race bikes. But hey thanks for your input.
Cheers
Huck Farley

[Reckless]

Ummm Really? I know Toseland's bike was green but...
Actually, Honda won both the Superbikes and the Supersport in 2007.
Not that I'm biased

I stand corrected. I did flick to the moto GP and the SBK site though here http://www.superbike.it/stats.php?p_...iCostruttori=C to check before I posted and as we where talking about manufacturers rather than riders I refered to what I found there. I must admit I only follow whats on TV which is the Moto gp. But I knew Honda where not the worst of the Rice rockets.

Those top level racers are nothing like road bikes. It's like comparing your average used Commodore form Moyes with last year's Bathurst winner - i.e. utterly useless shit.
When it comes to race winning performance from a bike you can actually buy from the dealer's down the road, well you only have to see what the local champions are riding - Suzuki owns the competition.

Oh comon you can't be serious. If pritch is correct are you saying that Supersport or even superbikes are so far above what our guys are riding there is no comparison and we should ignore any overseas success manufacturers achieve and all buy Gixxers.
I also can't believe that manufacturers are waisting all there R&D money in the racing classes and none of it filters down to their road bikes.
And your Moyes argument is extreme. I think you can compare the latest Gixxer with what they race in Supersport/SBK and this year Suzuki are far from being first.
Sorry but I'm not convinced.

[Morcs]

RVF1000 to replace the CBR1000 ftw

[bryce]

in 07 the motogp bikes droped to 800 cc ,honda droped one cycinder , honda are raceing 800 v4 ( vfr 800s ) you may or may not see honda move back to that as ther flagship .

[Coyote]

Or worse still, knows but is too arrogant to give a damn.

Wouldn't be suprised if that were the case. They even treat their racers poorly. "If you don't like how the team is run, we'll replace you. It's our bike that's winning races, not you". And sure enough Rossi and Carmichael left, 2 of the best riders in their classes. And sure enough they won the next season on a different ride

I dunno man, this looks good to me.

http://www2.solomoto.es/noticia.asp?ref=5094

I live in hope.

Corrr. Have to start saving on the off chance it'll become real

[Coyote]

As far as I can tell, Honda motorcycles have been around for to long without radical changes, just the odd face lift here and there. So it wouldn't surprise me if they did get of there arse and turn out some real classy bikes, to which they are very capable of doing!!


Also is it true that the Blackbird is getting the chop and is being discontinued. Is there any truth in that??????

CBR600RR is a step in the right direction. It's at the top of the 600 class this year.


The hornet is getting the chop, but it's supposedly being replaced by a later engined model

[pritch]

Honda make very good bikes, but wouldnt the RC211V or RC212v type bike like rock the motorcycle world?

4 cylinders? nah I think i'll have 5.

Ummmm RM, the RC212v is a v4. Which doesn't stop everyone including the latest issue of BIKE, and me, from hoping...

Now imagine a 5 cylinder 250

You might need to expand your imagination, Honda have already had a six cylinder 250.

[pritch]

Several of the new(ish) Honda range, including both of the new Hornets and the CB1000F(?), are from Honda Italy. Apart from the Dylan scooter I don't think any of the Italian models are imported into this country.

When I asked about the Italian made 2008 Lead scooter just this week, Bluewing said they had no plans to import that as it would be too expensive. They apparently hope to keep importing the Indian made one.

So all of the new bikes in the range originate in Italy, one hopes that the Hamamatsu crew aren't sleeping on the job.

[discotex]

Ummm Really? I know Toseland's bike was green but...
Actually, Honda won both the Superbikes and the Supersport in 2007.
Not that I'm biased

And as a result the '08 CBR600RR is coming in Hanspree colours not Repsol...... Interesting development.

I'd love to see a VFR800 to fill the gap between 600 and thou.

[Swoop]

Also is it true that the Blackbird is getting the chop and is being discontinued. Is there any truth in that??????

Gone, as is the VTR.
Apparently...

[huck farley]

Well now with the Hornet, VTR, and now the Blackbird getting the chop. Honda must be up to something to replace these models. Like I have said before, Honda have had their head in the sand for a while now. Maybe it's time to pull finger!!

Me thinks we are due to get some new models soon from the big H

Me also thinks it's a matter of watch this space. I really do hope they add a litre engine to the VFR.

I would be in like Flynn if the rumour mill "is" onto it to buy one!!

You meet such nice people riding a Honda!! Who remembers that ad?

[Reckless]

Several of the new(ish) Honda range, including both of the new Hornets and the CB1000F(?), are from Honda Italy. Apart from the Dylan scooter I don't think any of the Italian models are imported into this country.

When I asked about the Italian made 2008 Lead scooter just this week, Bluewing said they had no plans to import that as it would be too expensive. They apparently hope to keep importing the Indian made one.

So all of the new bikes in the range originate in Italy, one hopes that the Hamamatsu crew aren't sleeping on the job.

Hey pritch talking about importing and you wanting that lead scooter. My riding buddy just imported a 25th Anniversary VFR 800 from the states. Emailed the guy, paid for it, they shipped it here in its original crate, 2-3 weeks, he put it together and vinned it no sweat. And its got the 25th emblems on it the one I saw in the Honda shop didn't!! Quite a few grand cheaper!!!
So hit the net for your Italian made 2008 Lead scooter. About time we shattered the captive market!

[Drunken Monkey]

Oh comon you can't be serious.

I am ALWAYS serious. Wel, mostly. Ok, sometimes.

If pritch is correct are you saying that Supersport or even superbikes are so far above what our guys are riding there is no comparison and we should ignore any overseas success manufacturers achieve and all buy Gixxers.

Nah, cos then I'd have noone to hassle. But all that aside, YES, I do beleive there is no comparison. There is such little difference in performance between top model sportsbikes, plus it's unlikely that most riders will get anything close to 100% of the bike's abilities, that you might as well shop on what looks pretty to you. If, however, you do want to buy the best show-room performance for your buck, look at the closest form of racing around as they'll likely be riding the same bikes (not bikes worth 100 times as much).

Perhaps, if I had the disposable income, I could become a trendy bike shopper and purchase only from the manufacturer who won the previous year's races (oh my, do I choose from MotoGP or Superbikes?) and get myself a shiny new bike every year, hoewever in general I can be confident most of us don't do this.

Again with the cages, sorry, but the logical result of your argument is we all should be buying Fiats because of Ferrari's success in F1? I dearly hope not!

I also can't believe that manufacturers are waisting all there R&D money in the racing classes and none of it filters down to their road bikes.

1 - It's not wasting, do you think they do it for free? Motorsport teams are most definately not made to run at a loss by philanthropic manufacturers!

2 - Filtering technology down doesn't mean that the exact component fitted to last season's winning bike is now fitted standard on next year's show room model. It just means things learned from the former will be applied to the latter. Whether it actually makes it a better bike is a different story again.

And your Moyes argument is extreme.

But true. My K4 has about as much in common with a GSV-R as a Commodore does with a V8 supercar. Not a lot.

I think you can compare the latest Gixxer with what they race in Supersport/SBK and this year Suzuki are far from being first.

Obivously the quality of the riders has nothing to do with results...

Also, what does it mean if you're 2nd or 3rd? The field is what, 30+ bikes? What if the wooden spooner team is also a Honda team? (just one without the budget) Should I refuse to buy a Honda until they only place in the top 10?

Sorry but I'm not convinced.

That's ok, it's not my job. Just giving another angle on the subject.