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    4 March 2008. Cheesecutter barrier blocked traffic and delayed reopening of road

    Precise:
    • Truck rolled in it's lane
    • 8 men took 2 hours to deal with the mess
    • Rope barrier was not able to be moved to acccommodate needs of backlogged traffic
    • Concrete barriers could have been temporarily moved, resulting in less holdups, and a better managed situation emergency services.


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4424105a23918.html

    Peak-hour traffic delays of up to two hours after a crash on Centennial Highway could not be prevented because of the new wire rope median barrier, emergency services say.
    Highway re-opened after crash


    Hundreds of motorists were delayed yesterday when a truck flipped on to its roof alongside the new wire rope median barrier installed along the entire stretch of road south of Paekakariki last year. The small truck in the southbound lane clipped a bank and flipped, straddling the lane, about 8am, Sergeant Des O'Sullivan said.

    The truck driver suffered a suspected broken collarbone and was taken to Wellington Hospital along with two passengers who had minor injuries.
    Mr O'Sullivan said the rope median barrier stopped southbound traffic going around the truck. "The delay motorists faced was the price you pay for a wire rope median barrier. We could not right the truck, it had to be towed away."

    About eight men would have been needed to remove one section of the barrier, he said.
    Kapiti Emergency Medical Services director Chris Lane said that, though a concrete barrier would have been more expensive, sections would have been easier to remove in emergencies.
    Paekakariki Volunteer Fire Brigade chief Ash Richardson said: "There will be teething problems, every crash is different, but the delays were pretty much unpreventable. It would have been too dangerous to remove a section of the wire rope barrier. There would not have been a lot of gain. "
    Emergency response representatives will meet this week to discuss procedures.
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    not sure if this has been up before

    http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1063690.htm

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/motorin...cling%20deaths

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/motorin...7/barriers.htm

    http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Mo...ths.2504667.jp

    http://www.brake.org.uk/index.php?p=585

    http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/19/06/01.html


    http://www.iam.org.uk/motoringtrust/...ring+Trust.htm
    However, it is irrational and unacceptable that roadside barriers, which prevent deaths and injuries to thousands of car occupants, kill riders. The IAM Trust is committing £50K over two years to a pan-European study to look at how roads can be made much more forgiving to riders when a crash happens".
    Another WRB fails to stop car and results in death
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._crash23m.html



    And finally a police officer is killed by the failure of the barrier
    http://archive.theargus.co.uk/2003/10/30/123358.html

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    Even the Brazilians try to do crash barriers right,

    http://www.nowpublic.com/press/crash...e-deaths-roads

    They are installing barrier cushions

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    show some of the crappola we come up against, no mention of Bikes
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    UK 26 March 2008

    Another biker/ motorcyclist sliced and diced

    http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIA...ews/41596.html

    quote from part of the artical
    "Chris Hodder of the BMF says: “It seems perverse that a safety system has been designed which actually increases the likelihood of a fatality.

    “In the Netherlands and Norway these barriers have been outlawed following a spate of fatal accidents, and moves are being made in many other countries to remove them. We want the same to happen here.”
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    This was Number 10 responce to a petition about WRBs
    http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page10977.asp Now we know where our lot got there answer from, in places word for word of a certian minister here


    Another informative link

    http://community.livejournal.com/mot...s/2133430.html

    Some words from this link worth reading very carefully
    ""I guess, in the world of today where perceived safety is more important than actual safety there isn't much we can do to stop the march of progress. I only ask that you keep your eye open for these steely-faced killers standing guard at the side of the road, and adjust your riding habits accordingly. Don't let some cage push you into the cheese cutter. Ride defensively and use your heads out there. With friends like these in the safety industry we don't need enemies""

    EU answer
    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...w-1138376.html

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    According to a paper written by Clay Gabler of Virginia Tech titled “The Risk of Fatality in Motorcycle Crashes with Roadside Barriers,” in 2005 for the first time in the United States, motorcycle riders suffered more fatalities (224) than the passengers of cars (171) or any other single vehicle type involved in a guardrail collision. In terms of fatalities per registered vehicle, motorcycle riders are dramatically overrepresented in number of fatalities resulting from guardrail impacts. In the United States, motorcycles compose only 2% of the vehicle fleet, but account for 42% of all fatalities resulting from guardrail collisions. It is very likely that these figures would be similar in other countries and these statistics are getting the attention of highway safety researchers around the world.
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    have heard some experts say that they believe that a motorcyclist impacting a concrete barrier, or a steel barrier or a cable barrier system will die. It is just a question of “how dead will you be, 100% or 140% or 160%?” However, the real debate comes from the motorcyclists complaining specifically about the cable barrier systems. They refer to these cable barriers as “cheese cutters.” They cite an accident in October of 2007 in New Zealand where a motorcyclist impacted a cable barrier and the motorcyclist was severed from the waist down. The motorcyclists want the cable barrier banned in New Zealand. This opinion has been voiced in other countries around the world.
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    Spain is the most advanced county with regards to barriers. They have two standards for barriers both of which have been tested for motorcyclists. Standard barriers are fitted to roads which have low numbers of motorcycle accidents. The higher spec barriers are fitted to roads with higher numbers of motorcycle accidents. This is in contrast with the rest of the world where there is usually one specification for all roads.

    Full artical at this link
    http://irfroadsafetymatters.blogspot...le-safety.html

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    The Ministry for Transport in the Netherlands ordered the removal of the wire ropes as a result of mounting casualties.

    full artical here
    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...w-1138376.html

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    Not sure if it has been posted before but Ratbags sent me these facts from Holland

    2.16 Statistics: Number of accidents of motorcyclists against crash barriers in the Netherland (from 95 to 98)
    Month lethal injuries material total
    jan........1..........1..........6...........8
    feb........2..........4..........3...........9
    mar.......1..........10.........4..........15
    apr........3..........16........11.........30
    may.......2..........21........5..........28
    jun........5..........15.........8.........28
    jul.........2..........18.........8.........28
    aug.......2...........2.........14.........41
    sep.......3...........19.........9..........31
    okt........1..........17........10..........28
    nov.......0..........10..........7..........17
    dec.......1..........1...........1...........3

    total......23.......157........86........266

    Her was not clear which year these figures are from and did not supply all the yers 95 to 98


    These figures indicate a greater severity of this type of accident.

    These from his e-mail are I pressume the reason for Holland banning these WRB's

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    section of
    Speech by Hon Harry Duynhoven
    Meeting our Goals: Challenges in Road Safety
    Monday, 6 September 2004
    full speech
    http://www.ipenz.org.nz/ipenz/media_.../duynhoven.cfm

    "So what are we going to do about it? I say “we” advisedly because this is a job which the Government cannot do on its own. It involves you - as professionals in the design and management of safer road environments - and it involves the community. For without community buy-in, neither we in the Government nor, with greatest respect, you in the engineering profession, can get anywhere. More on that later"

    "Politics, as Winston Churchill once said, is the art of the possible.

    Engineering – Safety Retrofitting and Safety Management Systems
    Turning now to the second road safety E, engineering. Engineering has a critical part to play in delivering good safety outcomes. But its role is different to enforcement’s role. Enforcement is about modifying the behaviour of the driver – dealing to “the nut behind the wheel”! as has so often been quoted."

    "Traditionally, safety engineering has taken something of a back seat because of its expense. But although engineering has a high capital cost, it offers permanent crash reductions, while enforcement on the other hand tends to lose its impact once the Police officer moves on – not to mention the difficulties with public acceptance I have already talked about."

    "Transit is currently investigating the use of roadside barriers on State Highway 1 on the Kaikoura coast. As you may remember there have been a couple of incidents in recent years when trucks carrying hazardous substances left the road and ended up in the sea, causing considerable concern at the potential environmental impact. Barriers in this location will have a dual safety and environmental role. Mind "

    "The challenge has been to devise a low cost alternative to the traditional dual carriageway, which although providing protection against the opposing traffic stream is very expensive to build, especially in New Zealand’s difficult topography. The so-called “Swedish 2 + 1” – a three lane road with a wire rope barrier dividing the traffic streams seems to offer a good compromise. Transit reports good results with this solution which it is implementing at high risk areas around the country."

    And this of all things
    "I can’t over emphasise the importance of the work you do. You are in the front line. Maybe more than you realise. About 3 years ago a court in New South Wales caused an uproar when it ruled that a local authority has a duty to:
    “take reasonable steps to ascertain the existence of latent dangers which might be reasonably expected to exist …. and take reasonable steps by the exercise of its powers within a reasonable time to address the risk”.
    Hon Harry Duynhoven
    Monday, 6 September 2004

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    Another WRB fail to stop a 4 by 4
    Safety Barrier fails to avert deadly wreck

    watch the video
    http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...336/1006/rss01

    Also more info here
    http://www.triz-journal.com/archives/2004/11/01.pdf


    Cliff Pratt, a state trooper, said it appeared at least one of the cables was severed in Sunday morning's crash.

    "We're seeing too many cable-barrier crossover fatal accidents," Pratt said. The cable barriers cost less than concrete barriers, but "if the money saving is coming at the cost of lives, that's not going to work for us," he said.
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._crash23m.htmlSince 2000, eight people have died in crossover crashes along a 10-mile stretch of I-5 in Marysville, and seven of those deaths involved going through cable-median barriers. Family members of at least three victims are suing the state for $10 million, citing the cable barrier as a contributing factor in the collision.

    Median-crossover collisions account for about one-fifth of disabling injuries and fatalities on state highways, according to the July 2 report
    Very interesting statsof 8 killed along that road 7 were as a result of the WRB
    when crossover account for 1 in 5 ,
    seems if there is a WRB there you have a 1 in 8 chance of living LOW ODDS.

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    From Classic Motorcycle Mechanics issue 247

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    Thumbs down

    Found this little nugget on a site from the States
    Malcolm Ray, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at the Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Worcester, Mass.

    "While I firmly believe that cable median barriers are highly effective and an appropriate choice in many locations, we simply cannot risk another fatal cross-median crash on this section of roadway,"
    Responce from the State
    Gov. Chris Gregoire on Monday ordered state transportation officials to immediately begin drawing up plans for a concrete barrier along a deadly stretch of I-5 near Marysville.

    They know that they have a problem with WRB's, as shown by the statement above by Professor Ray, so why not just either replace them with some thing that is safe or modify them so they are safe, OOPS sorry mods don't work as Lorries can still go over the top of them, and cars can still go under them even when Mototub is fitted so its still a case of the headless car driver

    From monash

    The higher the speed the greater the certainty. But it is not just about excessive speed. "Even modern-day passenger cars cannot adequately protect their occupants from serious injuries at impact speeds above 30 to 50 km/h when rigid trees and poles are involved," says the report.
    On a lighter note
    full text here http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...360691640.html and before Transit answer that the WRB post are designed to break WRB anchor points arn't so its slice and dice time again.

    http://www.bikenut.com.au/blog.php read the WRB bit about how WRBs fail to stop cross overs


    about Transit
    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/31...nsaw-massacre/

    Seem they will remove protected trees for profit as a car driver may hit them, but can't do any thig about Barrier posts and WRB anchor wires,

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    http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer...story44803.asp
    as its archive contents below

    Wire barrier system to be reviewed

    MOTORCYCLISTS are demanding the removal of wire road barriers after the European Commission announced a planned safety review of the system.

    The Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) said the policy, to use stretched wires as crash barriers, exposed its members to unnecessary risk.

    Martin O’Driscoll, treasurer of the Cork branch of MAG, said the National Roads Authority was choosing the cheapest method without regard to the potential dangers.

    “Motorcyclists call these cheese cutters because that’s what they are.

    “It is actually not the wires themselves which cause the problems but the uprights which are exposed and, if they are crashed into, leave motorcyclists at risk of death or losing a limb.

    “The NRA has used them on the 2+1 roads system where they are running right in the middle of the road, without any protection. Any motorcyclist will tell you they are scared of their life going along these stretches of road,” he said.

    The commission has asked its European Committee for Standardisation to carry out a full safety review after Britain, Austria, Norway and the Netherlands banned the wire barriers.
    NRA spokesman Sean O’Neill said it would be monitoring the outcome of the review but until then it will not change its policy.

    “We are going to be fulfilling our current plans under the safety guidelines because these have not changed. All appropriate specifications remain the same.

    “Barriers by nature mean it is difficult to say which form is safer than the other one,” he said.

    Mr O’Driscoll said while it was likely the wire barriers would be banned, at the pace the NRA was installing them vast stretches of the road network will have these systems in place by then.

    The debate about the barriers comes as it emerged the country’s improved road safety record came to a shuddering halt at the end of the summer.

    In the last two months there was a 35% increase in the number of road deaths against the same period last year.

    During this time 54 people were killed compared to 42 people in 2006.

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