Reply from MP Harry Duynhoven

[Ocean1]

Can I suggest, that for maximum impact, this be done on the Friday at about 4.30/5 ish of Wellington anniversary w/e. It could be followed with the same stunt the next w/e, in Auckland.......at the very least you should have a captive audience of cagers as they leave the city in droves for their long weekends.

Apocrypha to be sure, but apparently there was developed a "chicken gun" for the purpose of simulating bird-strikes on aircraft canopies. The story has it that an Merkin institution placed a call to the British suppliers, complaining that the velocity of chickens was such that the canopies must always break. Indeed they had the remains several of the hideously expensive things to demonstrate exactly that. The Pom’s reply was slow in coming, but it did arrive: “Thaw the chickens”.

I digress, (well actually I wasn’t on-topic in the first place), however, I’d volunteer to manufacture a sheep cannon, if someone could demonstrate an effective and semi-legal way to use it in pursuit of this here campaign.

[yungatart]

I digress, (well actually I wasn’t on-topic in the first place), however, I’d volunteer to manufacture a sheep cannon, if someone could demonstrate an effective and semi-legal way to use it in pursuit of this here campaign.

Hmmm....dons thinking cap
I will let you know...does it have to be semi-legal?

[Ocean1]

does it have to be semi-legal?

It, (or the use of it) has not to see me in court.

Said "canon" needs only be a means of chucking carcases at a WRB, (or anything we want to compare them with) with reasonable accuracy and consistency. A suitably modified Ute might be a better start.

The process itself requires far more organisation than the ordnance and target however, and I'm unable to supply some of those elements.

[sunhuntin]

That is a great idea.But don't use dummies,pig carcases would be better as they behave like a human body.Make sure they have not been gutted prior to the test.

pigs have thicker skin than humans, and a dead body reacts differently than a live one... generally a dead pig is quite stiff. a live human has flailing limbs and "loose" muscles. a test dummy with realistic internal organs and veins [that actually "pump"] would be a better option... how to go about that, i dont know...

[skidMark]

What the hell.

they are just sidestepping the issue

one life lost is too many, if it was a concrete barrier you would just slide...

the regardless fact is even at the speed limit wire barriers are alot more lethal.

and he seems to mention the issue that bikers are very few of the percentage of road users, what the hell? we are still road users we have just as much right to not be put in unfair danger.

we arnt saying on barriers for gods sakes, just that we want them safer.

i think it's not much to ask

it's just government cost cutting.

it's going to take a car changing lanes into a biker at 80 kph or something and then throwing them into the barrier

before this issue is even remotely delt with....

at the end of the day they see it as bikes are dangerous...and it's our own problem as we accept the cheesecutters as just another risk.

well we shouldnt have to....we have enough risks as it is, and we will not stand for it, it's unacceptable that just because we are a minority we have to have a big risk put on our lives.

this is bullshit.

[Ocean1]

a test dummy with realistic internal organs and veins [that actually "pump"] would be a better option... how to go about that, i dont know...

So... how close a match to human is your archetypical politician?


I ask merely for information...

[YellowDog]

It is not too difficult to understand the reply. Some of the referred to fatalities are potentially avoidable, however the government does not consider such loss of life to be a problem woth noting.

Perhaps the NZ government believe motorcycle riders deserve to suffer injuries or die in such a way?

[ynot slow]

Live animal strapped to a bike and aimed at barrier,might need a set of trainer wheels to balance,piss take sure but you get the idea for carnage.

[sunhuntin]

So... how close a match to human is your archetypical politician?


I ask merely for information...

"archetypical" translation please?

and its just an idea... try and get something at the very least shaped like a human, with the emphasis on the limbs, but getting a realistc gut and vein system to show that its not only limbs that get damaged.

[Swoop]

So... how close a match to human is your archetypical politician?

Very close match apart from the lack of a brain in the politician...
... and a spine.


Test apparatus?
Could this be done with a small trolley that would run down a small railway track affair?
The carcase/dummy/test specimin could reside on the trolley.
Calibrated speed of trolley at object can be deduced easily.
Trolley stops before hitting object and "body" is propelled forwards.

No need for "propellants" that go bang!

"archetypical" translation please?

ar·che·type
–noun 1. the original pattern or model from which all things of the same kind are copied or on which they are based; a model or first form; prototype.
2. (in Jungian psychology) a collectively inherited unconscious idea, pattern of thought, image, etc., universally present in individual psyches.

[Matt_TG]

Just push it off the side of a flatdeck ute passing at 70km'h I reckon. Do a few along a suitable stretch of road, leave them there and bugger off - quick. The mess would be pretty, ummmm... messy!

[Usarka]

I got the same letter from this sister fucking cheese dick.

[Ocean1]

Test apparatus?
Could this be done with a small trolley that would run down a small railway track affair?
The carcase/dummy/test specimin could reside on the trolley.
Calibrated speed of trolley at object can be deduced easily.
Trolley stops before hitting object and "body" is propelled forwards.

Yup, simple is good. Question is should it be attempted as a scientifically validated, legally approved piece of research? Or as a piece of unsanctioned education, delivered by the press.

No need for "propellants" that go bang!

[Pixie]

I digress, (well actually I wasn’t on-topic in the first place), however, I’d volunteer to manufacture a sheep cannon, if someone could demonstrate an effective and semi-legal way to use it in pursuit of this here campaign.

The Frozen Chicken Myth goes the other way round.
The yanks made the "Rooster Booster" (a simple compressed air gun).
If the poms did copy it ,it was they that did not thaw the chooks.

I would have thought a certain select group of KBers would be more interested in means of keeping sheep still,than propelling them away at high velocity.

[yungatart]

Very close match apart from the lack of a brain in the politician...
... and a spine.


Test apparatus?
Could this be done with a small trolley that would run down a small railway track affair?
The carcase/dummy/test specimin could reside on the trolley.
Calibrated speed of trolley at object can be deduced easily.
Trolley stops before hitting object and "body" is propelled forwards.

No need for "propellants" that go bang!

What about store mannequins that are past their use by date, and a bottle or two of tomato sauce....not scientific in the least but pretty graphic, I would think.