VTR1000 vs SV1000 vs XB12R

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

yea nice but what happened to ya through the twisty bits?

I will admitt I slowed down on the twisties as it was my first time on that road and am always a little cautious... (hence why I am still alive and kicking I suppose), as well as waiting for the group, since we were on a group ride...

but in saying that I wasn't that far behind you at all...

[kiwifruit]

No not at all,just thinking of the big picture.

perhaps you have been desensitized (sp!) by the torque of the tls
coming from a 250 most things are going to be fairly thrilling

[98tls]

perhaps you have been desensitized (sp!) by the torque of the tls
coming from a 250 most things are going to be fairly thrilling

Which will wear off.once again thinking of the big picture.Go the 12

[98tls]

I will admitt I slowed down on the twisties as it was my first time on that road and am always a little cautious... (hence why I am still alive and kicking I suppose), as well as waiting for the group, since we were on a group ride...

but in saying that I wasn't that far behind you at all...

Dont be so fuckin serious.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Dont be so fuckin serious.

wasn't.. just being honest...

[Fatjim]

The Vtwin market is kinda stuffed really. Both Suzi eand honda dealers are saying the SV and VTR are being run out in NZ.

It would be nice if they both got off there arses and announce replacements, as both bikes could do with some major updates. But having said that there reasonable value.

I own a VTR and an SV so feel qualified to make comparisons, however I've never ridden a Buell.

They both use about the same amount of gas, I actually get a little more out of the VTR before the warning light comes. Basically they both work out about 12c a km.

The SV has more power, and with the efi has a more responsive engine, but the VTR is smoother, and has less vibration, and doesn't feel like its knocking under load.

The VTR gives me less backstrain, however this is a personal thing and everybody is different.

The stock suspension on both is pitiful for a large person such as myself. They're both too softly sprung in the front, even for the average rider, with not enough low speed damping, and far too much hi speed damping. The VTR used to get hydraulic lock over railways lines etc, although I had slight heavier oil than stock. The SV seems to wallow about more than the VTR. I think this is because the spring is softer on the SV, but I'm only guessing.

The SV looks better in black, although the VTR did come out in a matt black around 2003 which is very tasty. You can't get a sv in red?, or yellow, if your keen on those colours, although the Suzuki dark blue is rather sharp.

Over all, I'm a little disappointed in the SV, given its a 6 year newer design, and a second generation product. However, it is the same price as the VTR so in terms of technology is better value.

[98tls]

The Vtwin market is kinda stuffed really. Both Suzi eand honda dealers are saying the SV and VTR are being run out in NZ.

It would be nice if they both got off there arses and announce replacements, as both bikes could do with some major updates. But having said that there reasonable value.

I own a VTR and an SV so feel qualified to make comparisons, however I've never ridden a Buell.

They both use about the same amount of gas, I actually get a little more out of the VTR before the warning light comes. Basically they both work out about 12c a km.

The SV has more power, and with the efi has a more responsive engine, but the VTR is smoother, and has less vibration, and doesn't feel like its knocking under load.

The VTR gives me less backstrain, however this is a personal thing and everybody is different.

The stock suspension on both is pitiful for a large person such as myself. They're both too softly sprung in the front, even for the average rider, with not enough low speed damping, and far too much hi speed damping. The VTR used to get hydraulic lock over railways lines etc, although I had slight heavier oil than stock. The SV seems to wallow about more than the VTR. I think this is because the spring is softer on the SV, but I'm only guessing.

The SV looks better in black, although the VTR did come out in a matt black around 2003 which is very tasty. You can't get a sv in red?, or yellow, if your keen on those colours, although the Suzuki dark blue is rather sharp.

Over all, I'm a little disappointed in the SV, given its a 6 year newer design, and a second generation product. However, it is the same price as the VTR so in terms of technology is better value.

To sum up....budget.

[rocketman1]

Mate,there are alot of very happy SV1000 KB's on this site???
A SV1000 is a bike with fully adjustable suspension, it needs to be set up for yourself, so it may seem odd to you, if someone else has tweaked the suspension to suit themselves.
Whatever you choose, take care for the first few weeks/months of riding until you really know your bike can or cannot do.
And whatever bike you choose, buy a bike that has been well looked after and well serviced.
If are not too rich, the cost of repairs / spare parts and reliability should be a major consideration
Good luck

[Renegade]

Buell is different. Not a dime a dozen jappa. Is that important?

yeah it is kinda important, sometimes anyway, when i got the hyo there wernt to many around, thats out the window now, people still "a what?" when i tell them what i ride.

[Renegade]

The monster sounds great, comfy to ride, looks cool.. You have several options with the monster...

If your looking for big cc then the M900 through to the s2r1K or s4rs will definately keep you up there with the litre bikes as far as road legality goes. On the track the s4rs will hold its own along with the inline 4's...

Oh and did I mention the lovely sound. People will come up to you in the streets and ask what it is, they draw attention with the token dry clutch rattle which is cool.. Animals run scared and children think they are about to be eaten by some sort of mechanical monster........

Just my 5c

Oh and I am bias lol

always had a soft spot for duc's and guzzi's, but i do like fairings aswell, and service costs on a duc may scare me silly, i am going to take a monster for a spin, i think TSS has a duc on the yard for a rasonable price, done bout 30km from memory but i may be wrong

[Ocean1]

then there is the buell, looks fat, allways wanted a harley since i was 10yrs old, so i kinda ticks off that box.
however i worry a little about the servicing and the crazy design with oil and fuel in frames etc

In this case crazy is good. The intent was to produce a very rigid frame and keep the weight down and centralised. It works.

Service costs are very low, the drive belt needs changing only if you manage to damage it, (rare), valves are via hydraulic lifters... really: check oil, gas up and ride.

They are very different, and you may not like it. On the other hand they're a lot of bike for yer bucks, and you might just love it. Check the XB12S also, quite different ergonimics.

[Sidewinder]

vtr because hondas own all that other crap

[paturoa]

All good bikes, but not great bikes (don't tell Big Dave I said that). I am unaware of any major faults with any of them, but they all have minor faults which there are vast on-line resources to help you.

I wanted a new or near new bike and the Buell was too expensive for me. I looked at both the VTR and SV seriously and the main reason I chose the SV over the VTR was the low rev chain snatch on the VTR was worse than the SV (I knew that I was going to be doing a lot of nana commuting)

...the inside word is the vtwin 1000 has about the same power as a 600 anyway.

Yes for top end, but 6 hundies are timid for low / mid range in comparison to these 3.

[manwithav8]

always had a soft spot for duc's and guzzi's, but i do like fairings aswell, and service costs on a duc may scare me silly, i am going to take a monster for a spin, i think TSS has a duc on the yard for a rasonable price, done bout 30km from memory but i may be wrong

Mate don't be deturred by the servicing costs. Ducati has stretched it's servicing intervals over the recent years taking the periods out to 10k instead of the 5- 6k you have on the jappa's.

The only espensive part is when it comes to be belt change (20k ) and valve check. But if your handy with a spanner the jobs are not hard at all. Anyone can change oil and filter and clean a pick up screen so thats the in between servicing taken care of. Also, if you go with a 2v model then you have air cooling baby, no cooling system to look after...

Fairings are cool but look like any other sport bike ( let the bashing begin lol ) but the monster has a look of it's own.

Don;t get me wrong people, I like fairings to and someday will have a faired bike, but for now, naked is my way!!

[Renegade]

In this case crazy is good. The intent was to produce a very rigid frame and keep the weight down and centralised. It works.

Service costs are very low, the drive belt needs changing only if you manage to damage it, (rare), valves are via hydraulic lifters... really: check oil, gas up and ride.

They are very different, and you may not like it. On the other hand they're a lot of bike for yer bucks, and you might just love it. Check the XB12S also, quite different ergonimics.

i think the 12s looks a little odd with the short tail rounded off and all, can some tell me what a "red key" is that is advertised with some ducati's??