Have the Police blown it?

[WelshWizard]

check out the link
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/organisati...ectid=10482735


cut and paste of part of article

Public confidence, once eroded, is difficult to reclaim. Recovery is not impossible, however. Unstinting effort to the highest standard provides a strong foundation for rebuilding a reputation. The police have made a good start.

Their much-troubled year has been salvaged to a degree by the Independent Police Conduct Authority's findings on Operation Austin, the investigation of Louise Nicholas's revelations. Few such inquiries could have delivered such ringing praise.

The authority's report adds to ground that has been traversed extensively since Mrs Nicholas went public with allegations of pack rape in the Bay of Plenty in the 1980s by Clint Rickards, who has now resigned as an assistant commissioner, and Brad Shipton and Bob Schollum, his now-jailed police colleagues.

The standing of the police suffered as the trio were twice acquitted in controversial trials, and an inquiry into the handling of sexual complaints against officers damned police culture and made a staggering 60 recommendations for change.

[Genestho]

I personally feel that there are bad eggs in every section of society.

Most Police are trying to do what they can within the boundaries of the law.

Those three cops and the people and system that allowed the coverups were the bad eggs and I have no doubt that there are more.

I used to work in Promotions and Mr Brad Shipton hooked onto me and decided he wanted to shout me drinks all night, I was warned many times that night to watch him, as his reputation was sleazy.
I know how to take care of myself and I let him know it, I let him shout me drinks all night, and walked away unscathed, empty wallet, and still sober. I have never seen him again. And when a couple of years later his name came up in these cases, I was gob smacked.

There was no way that Louise wouldve put herself through all this for no reason, fame? Who could feel famous revealing what she did.
Pity Rickards did not face what he shouldve. I feel that by leaving the force he has admitted his guilt.
There had to have been an investigation of the outcomes. Kiwis were not impressed and were outraged.

Good on the Herald recognised Louise as a NZ'er of the year.

As for the Ureweras, we still dont know all the evidence and maybe never will, the media's coverage of this case has probably enabled each charge to be thrown out.

The Northcomms call lines...supposedly there is also an investigation into *555, after the shocking and shonky contradictory answers I have been given, in regards to processes and expected outcomes of a call (or even which call line).
I have told investigators that NZ deserves better.
I wait with baited breath. Still promoting *555
Throughout my life I have seen both the good side and the bad side of the Police. The officers I have personally dealt with since my husband was killed have been awesome.
But I do believe without them we are chaos.

[Subike]

The Police can only work inside the guidelines that is given to them by the govening body that employs them
I feel that if the police were allowed to do their job, without the P C brigade hounding them, then we would be better off
Remember they dont make the rules , just enforce them.
If they were asked what they would concentrate on , I bet speeding would be one area that would become a low priority. Chasing Marajuana growers would be reduced and the chasing of real crimes with real penalties would increase.
The police are restricted by the courts and Gov as to what they can do.
Target areas are set by the Govt, not police bosses.
If the police were to target Burglaries with the same effort as they are told to target road users, burglaries would be reduced.
Iff the police were to target assults of all types, and not the anti smaking laws, gangs would probably also be reduced.
If the police were able to lock a person up for real jail time instead of the stupid porole system we have, there would be less crims on the street.
If offenders were allowed to be charged from theie first offence, age say 8 - 9 them fear of the police would become real, not a joke.
Kids can get away with heaps, because they are deemed as not responcibile till , what, 14? The kid crims laugh at the police, an attitude they carry over into adult life.
So I M O they do their job as best they can inside the rules they are given.

[deanohit]

No, as while they are still extremely slow sorting out some serious cases for me, they have always been there when needed immediately.

[Skyryder]

I don't have as much faith in the Police as I use too. I acknowledge that they have a difficult job but they start on one of the higest saleries that compensates for this and are well paid .

It has been my concern for sometime that many police forget that they are our servants and we are not theirs. The Rickard thing with his associates is symptomatic of this and I have not not noticed much difference when it comes to police PR with the intention of defending their own. I am not suggesting that they should publicly hang someone out to dry but I get the distinct impression that Police culture is more concerned with their own well being instead of ours.

Skyryder

[The Stranger:Me]

I don't have as much faith in the Police as I use too. I acknowledge that they have a difficult job but they start on one of the higest saleries that compensates for this and are well paid .

It has been my concern for sometime that many police forget that they are our servants and we are not theirs. The Rickard thing with his associates is symptomatic of this and I have not not noticed much difference when it comes to police PR with the intention of defending their own. I am not suggesting that they should publicly hang someone out to dry but I get the distinct impression that Police culture is more concerned with their own well being instead of ours.

Skyryder

Jesus IIIRyder, why is it you cherish these antic in your beloved labour party then yet condemn them in the Police force?

[scumdog]

... but they start on one of the higest saleries that compensates for this and are well paid .
Skyryder

There's the first fallacy in your argument.

[Blue Velvet]

There's the first fallacy in your argument.

+1

http://www.police.govt.nz/recruiting/role.training.html

Salary details

Upon graduation you will earn a salary of $45,271 per annum and be entitled to a total package of $50,714 per annum.

While training at Police College you are paid $34,758 per annum.

[Monsterbishi]

I respect any person who elects to take a job that has a 50% chance of being involved in a serious assault at any given callout!

Not enough police, too many crims/lawbreakers - that's the real issue in New Zealand.

[ManDownUnder]

I acknowledge that they have a difficult job but they start on one of the higest saleries that compensates for this and are well paid.

umm - respectfully... no

Teachers, Nurses, Police... all grossly underpaid, undervalued and overworked (read ADMIN) members of society. Add in the fact they're shiftworkers which nicely erodes a number of familial and social aspects of their lives and presto...

You have a job you'd have to want to do. It's not going to be for the money.

[Hitcher]

No, the Police haven't "blown it". As our society moves increasingly away from any sort of belief in personal responsibility or communities that care about their constituents, then all manner of crap ends up in the Police's lap -- stuff we should be sorting out ourselves. And they're under-resourced and underpaid. And they're people too: imperfect, just like the rest of us.

People who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones.

[tri boy]

I hope that I never lose faith in our Police, because the alternative to a stable Police force is too scary for me to consider.
Anarchy isn't what this country needs. More self control, discipline, and good will
is a pretty good xmas wish.

[MSTRS:Me]

Anarchy isn't what this country needs. More self control, discipline, and good will
is a pretty good xmas wish.

Anarchy doesn't just mean lawlessness. A society that is self-regulating through self-control etc without 'externally' imposed rules would be anarchic, but perhaps even more desirable than your xmas wish?

[Renegade]

nope, there will be dick heads in every part of soceity, but when you call them they are there, they do all the jobs no one even things about, picking up the dead, picking up the mentals (cos the mental health system is shot), sorting out peoples domestics (cos people cant sort out their own crap), trying to maintain order on the drunken fri/sat nights streets, going to crashes cos people cant drive, trying to educate kids on road safety and stranger danger,

then you have the crims who want them dead and some times try tomake it so, they have to go in with guns and risk being beaten, stabbed and shot at.

they are the ones who are accountable for every thing they do and get examined and microscopically pickedto peices if they stuff up.

they still have to do uni papers in their own time to even keep their job after leaving police college.

then there is the shift work to manage along side family and whats left over a social life and all this for less than 50k a year??

yet the polititicans get 150k a year to talk shit and argue like school kids, get nothing substantial done while being accountable for nothing.

a policemans lot aint to flash.

yet the public bag the crap out of them, i say if ya dont like them dont call them when you need them, this whole " they serve us" thing is crap.

[Skyryder]

+1

http://www.police.govt.nz/recruiting/role.training.html

Salary details

Upon graduation you will earn a salary of $45,271 per annum and be entitled to a total package of $50,714 per annum.

While training at Police College you are paid $34,758 per annum.

Yep some fallacy.

skyryder