Campervan that hit bikers a couple of weeks back

[GaZBur]

Oh, puhleeeze. ...She had AN ACCIDENT. She wasn't drunk. She wasn't fucking speeding. She wasn't doing a u-turn to pursue an allegedly speeding biker. She didn't, FFS, see a whole raft of bikers coming and decide to mow them all down. No. She drifted onto the gravel - probably trying to make some more space for the bikers - felt it pull left, overcorrected to the right, and by the looks of things the weight of the top of the camper has pulled it into the corner and into the path of the oncoming bikers.

She made no attempt to hide the fact. Never once claimed it was anyone's fault but her own. And feels awful about the whole thing. Sure, thirty grand is neither here nor there, but ... honestly ... it's not like locking her up would help, is it?

Fucks' sake. Are you trying to tell me that nobody here ever has an accident? Ever?

Dave

Though I was alone here for a while.

Looks like we are in the minority then. Seems like all the rest of you have never made an error on the road. Thats all it took, one simple error. She was not a drug crazed homicidal maniac deliberately drive to endanger.

Lets just make all driving offences that might cause accidents a life time driving ban, like speeding, failing to stop, losing control of a motorcycle ina corner etc etc... How does that suit everyone???

[surfer]

Oh, puhleeeze. And I'm not just referring to Mr Dan, either.

She had AN ACCIDENT. She wasn't drunk. She wasn't fucking speeding. She wasn't doing a u-turn to pursue an allegedly speeding biker. She didn't, FFS, see a whole raft of bikers coming and decide to mow them all down. No. She drifted onto the gravel - probably trying to make some more space for the bikers - felt it pull left, overcorrected to the right, and by the looks of things the weight of the top of the camper has pulled it into the corner and into the path of the oncoming bikers.

She made no attempt to hide the fact. Never once claimed it was anyone's fault but her own. And feels awful about the whole thing. Sure, thirty grand is neither here nor there, but ... honestly ... it's not like locking her up would help, is it?

Fucks' sake. Are you trying to tell me that nobody here ever has an accident? Ever?

Dave

Don't have a problem with what you say. In fact I am in agreement.

What I do find sad is the little compensation meeted out and what this indicates about the value of a life cut short.

[yungatart]

I can't begin to imagine how she is feeling right now. Nor can I imagine how the families of the deceased are feeling as they go into their first Christmas without their loved ones.
$31 k may not sound much...but it would bloody near bankrupt loads of people on this site!
I, for one, wouldn't trade places with any of those involved.

[Katman]

The thing that makes me puke is, if she'd killed four pedestrians or four pushbike riders or four people in a car it would probably have never rated a mention on here.

[discodan]

Oh, puhleeeze. And I'm not just referring to Mr Dan, either.

She had AN ACCIDENT. She wasn't drunk. She wasn't fucking speeding. She wasn't doing a u-turn to pursue an allegedly speeding biker. She didn't, FFS, see a whole raft of bikers coming and decide to mow them all down. No. She drifted onto the gravel - probably trying to make some more space for the bikers - felt it pull left, overcorrected to the right, and by the looks of things the weight of the top of the camper has pulled it into the corner and into the path of the oncoming bikers.

She made no attempt to hide the fact. Never once claimed it was anyone's fault but her own. And feels awful about the whole thing. Sure, thirty grand is neither here nor there, but ... honestly ... it's not like locking her up would help, is it?

Fucks' sake. Are you trying to tell me that nobody here ever has an accident? Ever?

Dave

When the consequesnces of just 'having an accident' are so high? Yes I do think that the punishment for this is a joke. Especially when you compare it to other crimes such as tax fraud.

[discodan]

Lets just make all driving offences that might cause accidents a life time driving ban, like speeding, failing to stop, losing control of a motorcycle ina corner etc etc... How does that suit everyone???

Nah just the ones that actually cost lives. Maybe then, people will pay more attention to driving instead of tuning the stereo or texting thier mates. Even if it is out of fear of loosing thier right to drive and not out of compassion for the person they might kill in the process.

[Blue Velvet]

Though I was alone here for a while.

Looks like we are in the minority then. Seems like all the rest of you have never made an error on the road. Thats all it took, one simple error. She was not a drug crazed homicidal maniac deliberately drive to endanger.

Lets just make all driving offences that might cause accidents a life time driving ban, like speeding, failing to stop, losing control of a motorcycle ina corner etc etc... How does that suit everyone???

But it seems that so many things are "just accidents". People need to learn to be more farking careful.

[Mikkel]

The amount of pettiness and lack of empathy expressed by some posters in this thread is very saddening!

I can not see how the size of the reparations have any meaning in the first place. Putting a $1,000,000 price tag on each life wouldn't have changed a thing - the families would still rather have had their loved ones back...

As a matter of fact I find it disturbing that so many people are doubting so strongly that an average person of average morals (and we have nothing that would suggest that is not the case) will not experience a huge amount of remorse and misery for having inflicted such devestation upon other families. I can't help but wonder if the people who so doubt that this remorse is genuine are the people who would have claimed NOT GUILTY in all but the most hopeless situation and expect that everyone behave in the same manner!

On another note, and of course unless you've lived in Europe you wouldn't know this, but not all countries in old Europe are super wealthy. Austria happens to be one of the poorest of the west European countries and not all architects have their own companies and big salaries. Not that it matters because the bigots won't care about facts anyway.

[Colapop]

I suppose you could call my previous post petty or callous. You could say a lot of things. None of them are going to bring my brother back. He was killed by a slight moment of inattention by a driver while he was riding his bike.
I still remember the times we had together. I still remember the pain I felt when I was told of the accident. I still visit his grave and know that I won't be spending any time with him at christmas or his birthday or any other event. Nor will his son.

It was just an accident. That could have not happened at all if someone had been paying a little more attention.

[MSTRS:Me]

Do any of you here actually have any proof that negligence caused this accident?
Anyone?
No?
Or was it deliberate?
No?
In that case, an accident is what it was, and the Austrian was and isn't some crazed yob. She will be paying in some way for life.
And I'm sure that if she could change what happened.....

A very different outcome in every way to that 'other' incident.

[Blue Velvet]

It was just an accident. That could have not happened at all if someone had been paying a little more attention.

+1

My point exactly.

[Mikkel]

The thing that makes me puke is, if she'd killed four pedestrians or four pushbike riders or four people in a car it would probably have never rated a mention on here.

You deserve some bling for that comment. Alas, I can see that the mods don't allow it.

I suppose you could call my previous post petty or callous. You could say a lot of things. None of them are going to bring my brother back. He was killed by a slight moment of inattention by a driver while he was riding his bike.
I still remember the times we had together. I still remember the pain I felt when I was told of the accident. I still visit his grave and know that I won't be spending any time with him at christmas or his birthday or any other event. Nor will his son.

I can see where you are coming from. However, bringing ruin to more lives are not going to help the situation. I am pretty sure that the austrian driver's family is pretty stricken by this thing as well.

To be quite fucking honest. I think I'd rather have been the biker that was killed at the impact than the one who had to carry the weight of that accident.

[daytona 2]

Have you ever driven one of those "campervans" they handle like a rollerskate, once they get into any kind of body-roll, understear or overstear, they are gone. The center of gravity is too high for all but the flatest road surface, and alot of our roads are cambered badly. I know a guy who managed to roll one on the desert road, the cops new what they were like and did not lay charges. Shit happens.

[Blue Velvet]

However, bringing ruin to more lives are not going to help the situation. I am pretty sure that the austrian driver's family is pretty stricken by this thing as well.

I don't wish more ill on the tourist, as others have posted it would not change anything.

I do think that people need to be more careful/attentive on the roads, and I wish that "just an accident" wasn't such an accepted explanation for a lot of things.

[Maha]

The thing that makes me puke is, if she'd killed four pedestrians or four pushbike riders or four people in a car it would probably have never rated a mention on here.

You are probably right, the whole thing is a bit sad really, from what happened to....the outcome, there are no winners in this situation, so many lives have been effected, and yet the majority of posts have nothing but contempt for those involved (barr the bikers)...it was a fucken accident, she did not mean for it to happen, hence she was not charged with Murder.